The Power Station is old crap,it makes Lamma look like the North of Korea - Coal Power stations are the dirtiest and everyone concerned with healthy living should at first promote the demolition of this Power Station.

>>> This is why Hong Kong should embrace the awesomeness that is Nicholar Teslar. (Yes I spelled his name wrong, It just looks more sexy this way)..





The Jobs the Baroque will help to create are enclosed in there proposal ,Tree Nursery,Ecological use of the arable Land etc.

>>> YES, it will. ONLY if unselfish philantrophists who CARE about Lammanites, and or Hong Kongers, ran the project.


You will see in 10 Years with jumping transport costs,how important this will be for Lamma.


At the moment nearly all food is imported where on Lamma you got all you need to grow and prosper,Land and Water and you could grow almost everything from Citrus Fruits to Grapes,Melons and Pumpkins,Figs,Olives name it,it will grow here and the Baroque is giving the initiative to everyone to join in buy a Tree in there Nursery and grow it in your front Garden or set up a farm.

>>> yes, we do, but we don't want to use these lands, because get this Lamma Island is tiny, and host to many ecological life forms, unique to Lamma and ONLY lamma. Like Bees and butterflies, Kite birds, and get this GREEN Turtles that ONLY spawn on Lamma.


The Hills of Lamma could be home to herds of Goats as they do now in Hainan,bringing needed Protein as the Sea is overfished,bringing Cheese and Milk,you could reintroduce the Coffee Bush,name it, the Baroque will have the Facility ....

>>> See my rant about the ecologly of Lamma.


The opponents of the Baroque want there own cheap little profit,they know if the Baroque gets stopped,Lamma will have two Underground Stations in a


>> Wow does this mean we don't have to take the Ferry? yayeeeee!



short time and there Land and cheap little Flats looking like Rabbit Huts will jump in price and they can build more and more of that crap,where with the Baroque going ahead Lamma stays a Holliday Resort bringing excellent Houses with great healthy european standards and the flair of Lamma and Hong Kong will grow indeed !

>>> AND MORE TOURISTS to make loud noises, and throw more trash everywhere.

Seeing one of the Baroques Houses and Flats as on the Baroque Website and you will not like to live anymore in the usual concrete , overpriced, small and damp flats on the Lamma housing estate market and that's the fear the Lamma oponents have.

>>> That's why we picked Lamma and not the "Wings".

Only the Baroque will save Lamma, it will even make Lamma cleaner and help to establish a sustainable economy and ecology in tandem!!!!![/quote]

Yea the LAST thing we need is another nut trying to poison the goats, with Paraquate, thus endangering our saftey...

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Honestly ewald, we would probably have quite an interesting discussion if we could get past the polemics. I'm actually quite interested in food self-sufficiency and food security. I think not enough people realize how closely tied food production is to human rights and political freedom.

I think that agricultural land is underused on Lamma and it would be great to have some dialogue around this. But, at the same time, it's important to listen to people who warn about the potential dangers of goat farming for local ecology.

You have received feedback that you have scoffed at from some very intelligent, wise people - highly trained scientists in the field of ecology even, who teach at local universities. It would be wise to keep an open mind to all. Pointing out such dangers does not necessary doom farming plans. The goat farm that might eventually arise if all sides were listened to would be a heck of a lot more sustainable in relation to the whole environment / ecology / community because those arguments were listened to.

Maybe, it would be decided that goats were not the answer but that there was another even more appropriate protein source that could be developed? How about Euglena?

When people are in disagreement isn't it most often the case that both parties are correct in some ways and both parties are wrong in others? So if only one side 'wins' and only their ideas are incorporated into the solution, the solution is weakened by the neglect of truths discarded that were among the points argued by the 'losing' party. This is why dialogue is a much stronger form of communication than argument.

And, this also points to the inherent weakness in societies that control information and restrict open dialogue to only arguments that are perceived to be in accord with the thinking of those in power.

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