Alan {L_WROTE}:
Anonymous Guy {L_WROTE}:
Apologies for seemingly only giving contrarian views to Alan's postings
You apologise, but you keep doing it.
Is coz you make supposedly authority based, yet simplistic comments that are generally easy to criticise & are are driven by your own self based motives, rather than taking a view for the wider community.
Besides is easy to take a potshot at Alan standing naked on a soapbox (hows THAT for a scary image)
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The largesse is not spread out amongst the community. The costs of these projects is though, is borne by the community, witness the clocktower, the nullah.
I agree that some projects are probably a waste of taxpayers money, & in some cases gimmicky....... & perhaps there are those that demand a greater attention.
With the "clocktower", I don't know whether this is some sort of territory wide beautification project that was dreamed up by some councillor somewhere or a local community project. So not really able to comment. I don't know either if it was a government or local funded project.
Although the bulk of the financial benefit was probably earned by the clock designer & manufacturer rather than the concrete pourer or "one of the local boys".
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....... so they will always prefer to do a path to nowhere in the countryside, or fill in the harbour, rather than try to buy back land in the urban area and widen roads where they're actually needed, for instance.
Probably lands rights issues that would put considerably more money into the pockets of the "local big boys".
But wouldn't some of the congestion & "beautification/landscaping" you yearn for be dealt with by the harbour reclamation that would have less lands rights issues to be dealt with?
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....... The ideal project is a big slab of concrete in the harbour -- no money to anyone but contractors. Simple job, simple profit.
Perhaps, but can you imagine the public outcry at a concrete slab being placed in the middle of the harbour, regardless of the surveying, pilings, additional cost, etc. As well as access to the platform which would probably create its own new bottleneck & greater non-participatory abuse especially during inclement weather & standing out on a wholly exposed platform.
This is clearly seen in the difference when walking the pier & reaching the relatively sheltered path after the pier ends on rainy windswept days.
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....... Meanwhile, where people live, there are mud tracks between houses
There are as far as I am aware concrete paths to all houses on Lamma & the mud paths are impromptu walkways created by residents using shorter routes & creating dirt paths. If all the dirt paths were concreted there would be little or no flora or fauna in or around Yung Shu Wan, which is declining rapidly anyway, & that does not include the difficulty of lands rights being resolved & bought for the sake of a short cut.
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....... Main Street is choked to 1.6 metres wide,....
So to deal with this would require a project on the scale of "Baroque on Lamma " (exaggeration).... but can you image the lands rights issues involved, let alone the upheavel to residents...., regardless of the quantum personality change it would bring to Main Street.
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....... , no landscaping is done.
Different issue. I don't believe Lamma actually has a grand scheme of things as per DB which was virtually built from scratch with a vision in mind.
I think the Lamma path is being built on an adhoc basis to accommodate local needs in a gradual progression from a third world community.
I would not like to see a DB or "baroque of Lamma" project implemented anywhere on Lamma.
We will gradually be overtaken by an urbanisation of the whole of Lamma, but if it can be fended off for 20-30 years & a realistic approach taken, then it will probably be better for us diehards who will probably be on the slippery slope by then & a totally new modern generation will be in our place.
Anonymous Guy {L_WROTE}:
One is not taking into consideration special situations or special needs, nor the continued growth of the Lamma population, or its increasing tourist attraction & usage.
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The population seems stable, not increasing.
In any case, back in the 90s, with the less frequent and larger HYF ferries, carrying more passengers per trip (over 400 I think as opposed to about 300 for the current ones) there were greater surges of traffic then.
As I've often suspected.... you are living under a rock somewhere.
Compared to 20 years ago, Yung Shue Wan has seen various rashes of urban residential building, rents have gone higher & more out-of towners have moved to Lamma. The evidence is everywhere. New houses are being built daily.
The traffic surges from the ferries are far more dense than 20 years ago & the ferries a lot more frequent & more densely packed.
The 400 seater ferries... the best part was being able to lie down on the table & fall asleep in the knowledge that your snoring would not disturb anybody within 20 feet......, ask Simon.
As for the tourists... you're trying to tell me that Lamma is the only place in Hong Kong that has not seen a huge surge in tourist traffic in recent years from mainland China
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Yet still, in 10 years of daily commuting by bike and ferry, I never saw or heard of any of the dire consequences of "special situations" you imagine..
There have been a number of incidents of passengers falling or jumping off ferries over the years.
There was an incident with a DB ferry a few months ago where a girl fell off the gangplank between the pier & the ferry. Thankfully she was saved by a ferry employee, however the potential for urgent medical attention existed & could easily be duplicated on Lamma.
A number of years ago a Lamma resident smashed her head on the "roofing" above the gangplank at the Central side... she needed immediate medical attention & had to have continuous medical attention for the next year or so. This could have been duplicated on the Lamma side.
The gangplank can be a treacherous place in bad weather especially the disable or elderly.
People are often being assisted on & off the ferries... there is a reason for it.
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Wouldn't bother me. Though you'll be happy to hear that such delays are unlikely. I don't really see the need for an alternate spot at all.
So we get to the crux of it all.
You don't really care either way & is just an excuse to stand on your soap box & appear knowledgeable.
At no point in yr replies have you referred to the elderly or disabled & their needs, nor about the easing of specific congestion on the pier or the potential hazards to pier users, apart from a very simplistic solution that will be subject to as much parking abuse as already exists....... is all about you.
And frankly none of yr replies have really had a point of focus beyond you & a desire to move away from the issue on which you first embarked.