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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:21 pm 
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On Friday I was talking to some Australian tourists who were on Hung Shing Ye beach and they told me that there was a body pulled out of the water, inside the shark net, they also said that rigormortis (I think that is how you spell it) had set in, he was found by the rocks. There were 4 lifeguards on duty how they didnt spot him is quite beyond me. Does anyone have any further information on this matter?

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as i recall, some ambulances did come to the beach the other day, and apparently there was some kind of ceremony there this morning -- my friend thought it looked like a funeral -- so maybe there is some truth in the story.


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I think they found a body there last year of a woman one of the early swimmers, seems she died before the life guards turned up.

Can't be an easy job being a life guard when someone slips under water in a few seconds and thats that.

I think they do a good job thye always seem to be on the look out and rotate frequently.

Bear in mind that if your way out it would take quite a while to get there and ressucitation is not like on TV.

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I did spell it and I'm not way out

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Yes, I was just leaving the beach at 5pm that day when they pulled the body out. Definitely been in there for a while as it did have rigor mortis. The lifeguard had just gone out on that little raft thing they have when he must have spotted it behind the rocks in the middle of the beach. The current was pulling in that direction, so I guess he may have drowned further out and been dragged by the pull of the tide into the shark nets. Or maybe he dived down and got caught up and that was how he died. It was pretty quiet that day, but who knows, he could have drowned the evening before or very early before the lifeguards arrived.


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No official reasons on his death yet, according to the local police. Cheung Chau HQ is still investigating.

But he was found outside the shark nets and was known to be a good swimmer. Suicide hasn't been ruled out but the police really doesn't seem to know much yet.

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I just went for a swim. There's a new sign at the beach, warning of "dangerous currents and rips".

Since I've never noticed these currents or rips in the 15 years or so I've been swimming there I guess this has something to do with the drowning. I doubt the lifeguards were at fault, but I don't believe it was "currents or rips" either.

But we have a million dollar shark net despite there never being a shark sighted here. Same principle. They can say they took some action, no matter if it actually does any good.


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For all you CSI fans. Rigormortis sets in after about 3 hours and lasts about 72 hours.


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So what happens after 72 hours? Apart from a god awful stink that is.

When I lived in the remote tropics wearing white suits, Panama hats and brandishing a swishing Peezel, we would often stick the corpse in the shop freezer. There was only one shop and no one else had a large enough freezer.
We would then at some stage have to put the body in the back of a truck and high tail it to the nearest clinic where a death cert was given - not that this always happened.
When I was sequestered to transport the body enshrouded in a white carapace I would be constantly screwing my head round in abject fear that the body might, because of the rutted and potholed road, bump ignomiuosly out the back doors.

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Now theres a thought.

Maybe the unfortunate died a year ago, and somebody had kept him in the freezer.


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So what happens after 72 hours? Apart from a god awful stink that is.


In layman’s terms, it begins to turn into cadaver soup. I believe I ate this once in local restaurant in NoHo paying 50 bucks for the privilege. But, the body starts to rot and break down. I would think though that salt water would preserve the body somewhat, and delay this process unless the salt content is not high enough. Gawd, I should stop reading this forum at Lunchtime....


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The process of the decay of the human body is a subject that needs to be studied to help advance criminal science. Different stages of decomposition can help determine how long a body has been dead.

The first stage is self digestion, also known as autolysis. This happens when the cells break down the body into elements the cells can eat; this creates a liquid that gets between the layers of skin and makes the skin peel off. Also, during this stage, flies (when present) start to lay eggs in the openings of the body: eyes, belly button, open wounds, and other orifices. They then get under the skin and start to eat the body. The maggots that find the body in the first stage are about as small as uncooked grains of rice.

The second stage of decomposition is bloating; when we are alive, bacteria makes gas from the food we eat. Once a body dies, these bacteria break the body down by feeding off tissue and gas will build up. But the gas cannot escape from a corpse because the small intestine collapses very early on. The bloating usually happens in the abdomen, but can also be seen in the mouth and genitalia, where the most bacteria congregate. The tongue will swell and stick out. This usually happens in about the second week of decomposition. Bloating will keep happening until something gives way. Most of the time it’s the intestines, but on occasion it can be the actual torso, and that usually involves a ripping noise. In the second stage the maggots look like cooked grains of rice: moist, stuck together and larger. The bloat stage usually lasts about a week.

The third stage is putrefaction and decay. It’s the longest process and the last stage. Putrefaction starts during the bloat stage but the effects aren’t obvious until after the bloat stage is over. Putrefaction is when the body breaks down, and tissues and bacteria liquefy. The digestive organs, the brain, and lungs disintegrate first because that’s where the most bacteria are. For about three weeks the organs inside are still identifiable, but after that everything inside turns into the consistency and color of chicken soup. The muscles can be eaten by bacteria, but also be devoured by carnivorous beetles. Under some circumstances the skin is eaten by various things including bacteria and bugs. Otherwise, it just dries out and hardens. Then nothing really wants to eat it because the skin is too tough. Eventually all that is left is the skeleton.

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7. What happens to a body interred in water?

A corpse interred in water becomes an ugly, smelly mess.

Bodies exposed to water decompose approximately four times faster than in earth, and if the water is warm or polluted, the corruption occurs much faster. The corpse's decomposition may be accelerated when it is damaged while drifting along the bottom, by cuts from boat or ship propellers, and even from spear gun wounds in some coastal or inland waters.

Insects also get into the act. Bodies that float near land for even a few minutes will have maggot infestations in all body cavities. Aquatic insects may also feed on the body, but these insects seem to accidentally happen onto the body rather than being attracted by the odor. (Forensic scientists are investigating whether aquatic insects can be used to estimate the time a body was immersed in water).

If a body rests in water for only a short time, especially if the water is cold and contains minimal fish life, a variety of changes can occur. If it is near the shore or rests near a sandy bottoms, sand may wash into the mouth and throat, sometimes forming a hard cast. The skin of the palms and soles initially becomes very wrinkled, called "washerwoman skin" by pathologists, looking similar to a person's hands and feet after spending too much time in a swimming pool or bathtub....

After being in water for hours to days, a corpse's skin becomes white, soft, and extremely unpleasant to sight and smell. In warmer water, the decomposition advances rapidly, with the skin quickly loosening, darkening and becoming stained with blood. The body bloats and the eyes protrude-the typical "floater". Eventually, the corpse decomposes and becomes part of the environment, as the Hindu Rig-Veda recognized :"Go unto the waters, if you are placed there. you must establish the plant with your flesh".

At one time pathologists autopsied "floaters" with gunpowder burning in the morgue to mask the smell. They now put tincture of benzoin on their surgical masks or freeze the bodies for at least four hours to reduce the odor. (Benzoin or similar substances are also used by disaster workers while they search for bodies decomposing under earthquake rubble, at airplane crashes, and in similar catastrophes).

Occasionally, bodies lost at sea become objects of amusement. In Truk lagoon, a world-famous wreck-diving site in the South Pacific, the bones of Japanese sailors were often retrieved as souvenirs by divers or used as props in underwater pictures. This practice stopped in the late 1980s when the Japanese sent a professional diving team to retrieve the remains and bring them back to Japan.


8. Are bodies buried at sea eaten by fish?

Yes. If fish are present to help consume the body, decomposition accelerates a hundred-fold. Fish, crabs and small marine animals quickly begin to feed on the soft parts of a corpse's face. the eyelids, lips and ears are the first to go, and then the eyes, nose and mouth. Dr Carr, former Chief of Pathology at San Francisco General Hospital has said that bodies floating in the cold waters of San Francisco routinely have "shrimps at the orifices".

In some areas of the sea, large fish are scarce, it is the smaller animal life that feeds on the remains. These small creatures, however, are quite efficient. Evidence of this was seen during the recent exploration of fourteen World War II warships recently found undisturbed in 3000 feet of water fifty years after the bloody naval battle around Guadalcanal. As Robert Ballard, the undersea explorer, said, "All that's missing are the bodies of the thousands of sailors".

Larger animals feed on the torso and extremities, with sharks typically removing pieces 8 to 10 inches across. Throughout history, sharks have been found with recognizable body parts in their stomachs, perhaps due in part to the shark's very slow digestion time (8 to 21 days). According to Dr. Joseph H. Davis, Chief Medical Examiner for Dade county, Florida, one shark was caught off the Florida coast with an entire human leg in its stomach-from the hip to a sneaker-clad foot.

Fish do seem to be finicky eaters. Yet occasionally, when through accident or intent embalmed bodies are buried at sea, fish generally avoid them. Although these bodies decompose faster than they would after an earth burial, fish do not like the odor they emit, so bacterial activity and the physical action of the sea cause most of their decomposition.

10. Why do dead bodies float?

Corpses that are purposely interred in the ocean with proper preparation will generally sink, since they are weighted. But those that are accidentally or hapharzadly interred (accidents, drowning, foul play) may float for a while if there is enough air in their clothing to lend sufficient buoyancy. Once the body sinks, it resurfaces when enough gas forms during decomposition to lift what remains. Once it resurfaces, it will sink again only after enough flesh decomposes to let the gas escape.


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LOVELY - Dinner anyone?

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Yes, dinner, please.

Carnivores will probably feast on the dead bodies of innocent animals, hacked or sliced into small pieces, burnt by boiling steam or broiled for hours for something like "cadaver soup" or burnt and charred in fire or the various other ways of disfiguring and mutilating the dead bodies of innocent animals we humans call "cooking"...

Going for dinner in Sau Kee now, yummyummy...

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Just curious if any one remembers (or was even interested in finding out, after the science lesson) what was the rest of the story - how did this guy drown?


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childishness aside,

I spend a lot of time in, on, and around the water. This seemed strange circumstance and for my own education/ interest I do want to know the rest of the story.

Relevant answers only. Please.


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