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View from top of the very windy hill in the above picture (click to enlarge)

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It was just like that for a few minutes till I fixed it. It's fine now. You're checking very frequently for new messages, don't you? :wink:

Friends of the Earth is looking at this discussion here right now for some "local opinions and concerns" to reflect them to the govt. & HK Electric.

Do we have any more "local opinions and concerns" about the wind turbine? :wink:

We also need a nickname for this project! Every Lamma project needs a nickname! Any ideas?

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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}:
IDo we have any more "local opinions and concerns" about the wind turbine?

The biggest concern I have is, is this to be the only one? The document talks a load of rubbish about how it will help supply power to Lamma. It's being fed into the grid; it doesn't help us more than anyone else. They only make sense in places that aren't on the grid, to replace diesel generators.


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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}:
We also need a nickname for this project! Every Lamma project needs a nickname! Any ideas?

How about Lamma-gizer? Or if they are building more than one, Lamma-gizers!

Or The Wheel of Fortune?? :lol:


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What about “The magical spinney thing”? That would site nicely around here!

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...then that will be another popular filming site for local TV series :)


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There was a "Backchat" on Radio 3 on the wind turbines this morning.

The spokesmen pretty unequivocally said that if they do go into these in any big way that they will put them in country parks and presumably Lamma countryside (as that's not even country park) as "that's where the best wind potential is". Also of course the government doesn't have to pay anything for the land. They rabbited on about how any power station used land, but having a road along a ridge connecting towers on, say, Pat Sin Leng, is going to have a massive impact on the countryside disproportionate to the area directly affected, slicing up a large wilderness into a patchwork of areas cut by roads and overlooked by huge towers. And the amount of power they generate is nominal, the real motivation is that they can use them in "we're green" advertising and as it's an investment, allows them to charge more on our bills under the Scheme of Control.

Also they said there would be "community consultation", but we know how that goes.


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To build on LL's comments, I think HEC should consider reclaiming more of the harbour for hydro-electricity. There's certainly enough wave/tidal action going on.

If they persist on wind turbines, perhaps brownmist can help? :lol:


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Below article from today's The Standard!

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Greenpeace blasts HK as being all wind
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Greenpeace has again blasted the government's commitment to making renewable energy available in the territory, calling current plans ``window dressing'' when the territory could be a world leader.

Back from an international conference in Germany, Greenpeace campaign director Lo Sze-ping said Hong Kong should follow China, whose officials told the conference that by 2010, about 10 per cent of the country's installed power generation capacity would come from renewable sources.

Greenpeace's call follows a new study published by King's College in Britain showing London's air pollution, especially tiny dust particles from vehicle exhausts and ozone, could reduce its residents' life expectancy by up to 10 years.

Hong Kong spends at least HK$3.8 billion annually on treating air pollution-related health problems, the Environmental Protection Department has said, using 1998 figures.

Lo said government officials responsible for renewable energy policies had ``no clue'' about the level of development of the industry in Europe - the world leader in wind-power generation.

Officials were also ignorant about the level of international political commitment to developing cleaner electricity, such as through last week's International Conference for Renewable Energies in Bonn.

A Hong Kong official - part of China's delegation - asked whether the central government had selected a site for a tidal wave experiment, which Lo said would produce far less electricity than wind farms.

It was a ``totally irrelevant'' question that showed the government's representatives ``are not plugged into the debate at all'', Lo said.

He praised Hongkong Electric's plan for a wind turbine on Lamma, and urged the territory's largest energy company, CLP Power, to try to catch up.

A spokeswoman for Hongkong Electric yesterday said the company had agreed with the government to build a 600kW wind turbine.

It would be the first commercial scale wind turbine in the territory, and should start initial operation in early 2006.

An environmental impact assessment study and planning for a site on Lamma was under way, followed by designing, buying the equipment, installation and connection to the company's network.

``We will consider the operations of this experimental project in mapping out our policy on wind power in the future,'' she said.


A spokeswoman for CLP Power, which has hired Hong Kong University of Science and Technology to help it find a site for a pilot project, said the company would reply to Greenpeace today.

An Environment, Transport and Works Bureau spokeswoman last month said while the government was keen to promote renewable energy, it was aware of the territory's geographical limitations and constraints imposed by high population density.

The government needed to evaluate both sides of the argument because producing a ``sizeable amount'' of electricity from wind farms would mean putting them in country parks and around the coast line, the spokeswoman said.

But no surveys had been done to bolster the government's claims, while putting wind farms several kilometres off-shore would mean visual pollution was greatly reduced, Lo said.


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Nothing much new here, business as usual...

But I love the term "visual pollution"! So many things are visual pollution in our environment, impossible to clean them all up.

If they'd ever get serious about this and apply this term more widely, many people would have to hide their faces, including myself! :shock:

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Seems like they may have commenced the project today.
One of those large mechanised shovels has started clearing the flat area on the power station road close to the area indicated in the previous photos.
[This is meant as an informative posting and not the commencement of a new thread]

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My last electric bill was huge - do you think I could reduce it if I voluntered to have one of these installed on my roof - obviously it would need to be scaled down a little.

Shouldn't we get a discount on our bills anyway. With the power station right on our doorstep they don't need to transport our electric as far as to Hong Kong Island. With the price of oil going up we must be subsidising the transport costs of all those rich people on The Peak.


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Today? The wind turbine project is scheduled for 2005, completion in 2006, at least 1 year off.
The Environmental Impact Assessment study has not even been presented to the government yet (but very soon), the wind turbine model not chosen yet, etc. I'll check it out with HK Electric right away!

Maybe some ground-checking work or something completely unrelated. I'll find out! Thanks for letting me know! Most important for my Lamma-zine Aug wind turbine story-in-progress!

Anybody got photos of this new development, please???

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chocolate starfish {L_WROTE}:
My last electric bill was huge...
...Shouldn't we get a discount on our bills anyway. With the power station right on our doorstep they don't need to transport our electric as far as to Hong Kong Island...

My last electric bill was huge, too. The highest ever since moving to Lamma, almost unaffordable. I switched off the aircon today, trying to get back to living without whenever possible.

But the discount won't work as all our power actually comes straight from HK Island, according to the 3 HK Electric people I talked to in person a few days ago, interviewing them. The power flows from the Power Station to HK Island in 3 submarine cables at 275KV. It gets stepped down to 220V and comes back to Lamma Island to our homes.
It sounds crazy but it's true. As they put it, this is more economical than buiding a voltage-stepping-down facility just for the less than 8,000 local residents.

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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}:
I just got a tip about HK Electric's project profile for "Renewable Energy by a wind turbine System on Lamma Island".

<img src="http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/30/Tai-Ling-map-1.jpg" border=1 align=left hspace=10 vspace=4>It's a demo/educational project with only one wind turbine, just 250m away from Tai Ling Village, along the ridge after Tai Peng. It was selected from 6 potential location, incl Tai Peng, Pak Kok and the power station itself.

Almost 100 metres high, incl. blades, at an elevation of 90m above sealevel, 89 tons, brightly coloured to kill less birds, this will be seen from much of the island. Building will start before end of this year, most likely. The project is with the Environmental Impact Assessment division of the EPD now, "exhibited for the public to comment" by email feedback form, till April 6 only: http://www.epd.gov.hk/eia


Does anybody know more about this project? Has anybody local been notified or consulted? Potentially a very interesting project, I'll try to get more info from HK Electric directly.

The 12-page, very readable and illustrated project profile is at:
http://www.epd.gov.hk/eia/register/profile/latest/esb112.pdf

For a great general discussion on wind power on Lamma:
http://www.lamma.com.hk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1141

May just be drainage clearance, but looked like they had gone beyond the edge of the road.
Will keep an eye on it for you

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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}:
But I love the term "visual pollution"! So many things are visual pollution in our environment, impossible to clean them all up.


The air pollution on Tuesday was so bad it was visual. Maybe they have moved onto a different visual pollution, knowing they have failed miserably to do anything about this one?


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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}:
all our power actually comes straight from HK Island, according to the 3 HK Electric people I talked to in person a few days ago, interviewing them. The power flows from the Power Station to HK Island in 3 submarine cables at 275KV. It gets stepped down to 220V and comes back to Lamma Island to our homes.


In the proposal HKE said "Lamma is an outlying island suitable for harnessing renewable wind energy for consumption by the islanders." So if that's true they will be plugging the output of the fan into Lamma's grid. But more likely they were lying about that, and it will be fed into the main grid.

Maybe you can ask them what will actually happen to the power from "our" turbine.


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Very quick & comprehensive feedback from HEC about the works started close to the future wind turbine site on Mt Panorama:

Esme Lau, Public Affairs Manager (Media & Community) {L_WROTE}:
Further to my e-mail yesterday, I would like to confirm that the works you noticed at the site is NOT related to our wind turbine plan, but improvement works to our existing power cables. A small scale trench excavation works will be carried out starting the coming Monday to add accessories to improve the performance of existing cables. Our contractors have recently started preparation work in the area and the works is expected to last for six weeks.

Thank you for your attention and let's keep in touch.

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Just been up there & it would tie in with yr email response.
Are widening the road at it's widest point.
Piles of gravel/stones already delivered.
Had a chat in German with a Chinese labourer up there who said that it was for cables & quite definitely nothing to do with the Wind Turbine.
Sorry about the scaremongering

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