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Marc Antony
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Based on information received confidentially from Lamma Underground:
Scene: The morning after, a dingy office at Wan Chai Police HQ, walls adorned with pics of pseudo models. Toby enters, looking a bit rough - he hasn't had much sleep.
Morning sir.
Morning Toby. A brief rundown please.
Well, a bit of a cockup sir, in a nutshell.
How so?
Well, all we found was a bit of pot and some charlie.
(strained).Hmmm, so I heard. What happened to the 'knee-deep in drugs' thing Toby? All those pothead gweilos you told me about?
(blubbering) Dunno guv. Maybe there was a tip-off ...
Or maybe you fucked up royally. I heard that bar managers were arrested. Was that your idea?
Er... yes sir - in for a penny, in for a pound!
You daft twat. It's a good thing we've already sold our story to the press - they like the international drug syndicate stuff, even if there isn't one. Lucky for you Toby. But you'll be glad to know you're back on the antiques. Now piss off.
Thank you sir.
Toby heads off to Starbucks ...
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Tigger
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That is laugh out loud funny! I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment of 'Toby's day'  |
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Sneaky-O
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe we should stick up posters of Toby's wonderful countenance around the place with the heading "Wanted for Fraud." |
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Lamma-Gung
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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This Lamma Drama is brilliant!
From this forum to Lamma-zine on the home page within less than one hour! A new Lamma.com.hk e-publishing record, methinks.
Marc Antony, next scene, please? 
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pit
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lamma-Gung wrote: | This Lamma Drama is brilliant!
From this forum to Lamma-zine on the home page within less than one hour! A new Lamma.com.hk e-publishing record, methinks.
Marc Antony, next scene, please? |
Yes it's truly brilliant fun, isn't it.
Fun-loving Lamma people standing up for themselves with typical wit and jovial sarcasm... This is what people want to see "published".
The inconvenient memory of all the non-Chinese and non-Western Lamma restaurant/bar managers finding themselves dragged away in handcuffs without explanation, then medically tested, interrogated and told to sign confessions in chinese without access to legal aid and finally released on bail after two traumatic nights in uncomfortable detainment is all but forgotten. (The "requested" editing of the subject title to do away with the unpalatable aspect of potential ethnic profiling certainly didn't harm the harmonious promotional side of this fun and exciting Lamma story.)
They can fend for themselves in court in the coming days...
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Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| pit wrote: | The inconvenient memory of all the non-Chinese and non-Western Lamma restaurant/bar managers finding themselves dragged away in handcuffs without explanation, then medically tested, interrogated and told to sign confessions in chinese without access to legal aid and finally released on bail after two traumatic nights in uncomfortable detainment is all but forgotten. (The "requested" editing of the subject title to do away with the unpalatable aspect of potential ethnic profiling certainly didn't harm the harmonious promotional side of this fun and exciting Lamma story.)
They can fend for themselves in court in the coming days... |
Do you really think that the title of a thread would help or hinder these people you are so concerned about?
You're free to use the forum to organise a legal defence fund, or a petition campaign, or something that might actually make a difference.
Anyway, as far as I heard, only two people were ultimately charged, with possession. Are any others actually facing charges? |
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Lamma-Gung
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Dear pit,
RichF's and Marc Antony's stories will in fact get a lot more people to read this forum, including your uncensored comments.
It does in no way detract from the totally unnecessary and unjustified suffering of the unjustly arrested people - several of them friends of mine - but it actually gets Lammaites' version of the story and our comments out there, well beyond Lamma, when no other local website or media seems to have seriously followed up on this story yet.
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Marc Antony
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm as outraged as anyone at the police antics of a few weeks ago, and also a friend of some of those ill-treated and unjustly arrested. Lampooning the police is fair game, IMHO - at the very least it's one way of gaining attention for the cause, as LG says.
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higgsboson
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But why not stay focused on the racist side of the story?
Its the only part of the story worth telling. Everyone seems to agree the old hippy angle in just a fairy-tale, not worth mentioning, there were no quantities of drugs found, police are police. So what's left?
Just racism. |
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Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| higgsboson wrote: | | Its the only part of the story worth telling. |
Not in my opinion.
Feel free to ramble on about it though.
Though preferably supported by facts. |
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pit
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Marc Antony wrote: | | I'm as outraged as anyone at the police antics of a few weeks ago, and also a friend of some of those ill-treated and unjustly arrested. |
| Quote: | | Lampooning the police is fair game, IMHO - at the very least it's one way of gaining attention for the cause, as LG says. |
I'm perfectly happy with the lampooning; they deserve every "crack" aimed at them.
I'm also OK with opinions downplaying or even totally dismissing the "ethnic profiling" aspect of this travesty, although personally I feel that it is exactly those Lammaites who've been most outrageously mistreated (and who still need to face Hong Kong's legal system and even threats to their livelihood by local police).
However I'm not really certain what the "cause" LG's site is hoping to gain attention for actually is. Witness the commentaries chosen for the frontpage/blog to represent the "debate".
Well I guess we'll just let certain posters - and the editorial policy - to define the "cause" for this online community while others (not only the Filipino and Indian communities) may prefer to express their "unharmonious" concerns offline and in private.
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Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| pit wrote: | | Well I guess we'll just let certain posters - and the editorial policy - to define the "cause" for this online community. |
Posters are self selected. You have something to say, say it.
No matter how unpopular, boring, or absurd your viewpoint, you are free to air it.
Stories featured in the Lammazine are a different matter, but in any case, they all link back to the forum and the whole 300 post thread.
And of course the web is full of free blogging sites if you just want a soapbox without fear of contradiction. |
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dolphinsview
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: The big operation |
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| Regarding the local gutter rags interpritation of the "Raid", perhaps there should be posters put up warning people what the D~~k head Barclay Crawford looks like, as usual with him never let the truth get in the way of a story, the guy is a clown and should be taken on a long walk off a short pier. |
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higgsboson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | higgsboson wrote:
Its [ethnic profiling] the only part of the story worth telling.
Alan Replies:
Not in my opinion.
Feel free to ramble on about it though.
Though preferably supported by facts. |
I'd say the facts are clear - only foreign owned businesses were a target.
If facts this clear elude you, maybe you should be moderating a children's website. |
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Marc Antony
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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That foreign owned bars were targeted in the raid is undeniable fact. What we don't know is why. It seems that the undercover cops were gweilos, so it's understandable (up to a point) that they focused on bars that have predominately gweilo clientelle. But why weren't 'local' undecover cops used to check out the 'local' bars? Or were they? Maybe they were used but didn't find anything? Answers please. You'd think that there's enough here to interest a journalist with a nose for a story - but the SCMP doesn't seem to have any. Maybe the police would be kind enough to explain?
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Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| higgsboson wrote: | | Quote: | higgsboson wrote:
Its [ethnic profiling] the only part of the story worth telling.
Alan Replies:
Not in my opinion.
Feel free to ramble on about it though.
Though preferably supported by facts. |
I'd say the facts are clear - only foreign owned businesses were a target.
If facts this clear elude you, maybe you should be moderating a children's website. |
I quoted "only part of the story worth telling" because THAT was what I disagreed with. Not the facts of who was arrested.
If that wasn't clear to you, sorry I can't dumb it down any more. |
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higgsboson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Its not so much dumbing down as mis-direction, Alan, and you're doing a good enough job of that. You have a remarkable ability to say absolutely nothing in 1000 words or more.
However, two legitimate questions go unanswered:
1. Why weren't Chinese businesses included in the raid?
2. Why didn't the SCMP include this racial profiling angle in its story?
What other part of this storey do you think is worth telling? |
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Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| higgsboson wrote: | | Its not so much dumbing down as mis-direction, Alan, and you're doing a good enough job of that. You have a remarkable ability to say absolutely nothing in 1000 words or more. |
Whatever you say.
Though I haven't made any posts even approaching "1000 words or more" in this topic, or any other I can remember, (excluding quoted material). I'm really not that verbose, and a slow typist.
So you're probably confusing me with someone else. But don't let inconvenient facts slow you down.
| Quote: | 1. Why weren't Chinese businesses included in the raid?
2. Why didn't the SCMP include this racial profiling angle in its story? |
These points were addressed here weeks ago.
And if you really care about these issues, blathering on a forum is not going to achieve a single thing. Contact CAPO, Human Rights Commission, HKJA, LegCo representatives, etc.
Or just keep bitching here and be ignored, up to you. |
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higgsboson
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Alan wrote (in yet another long post):
| Quote: | higgsboson wrote:
Its not so much dumbing down as mis-direction, Alan, and you're doing a good enough job of that. You have a remarkable ability to say absolutely nothing in 1000 words or more.
Whatever you say.
Though I haven't made any posts even approaching "1000 words or more" in this topic, or any other I can remember, (excluding quoted material). I'm really not that verbose, and a slow typist.
So you're probably confusing me with someone else. But don't let inconvenient facts slow you down.
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1. Why weren't Chinese businesses included in the raid?
2. Why didn't the SCMP include this racial profiling angle in its story?
These points were addressed here weeks ago.
And if you really care about these issues, blathering on a forum is not going to achieve a single thing. Contact CAPO, Human Rights Commission, HKJA, LegCo representatives, etc.
Or just keep bitching here and be ignored, up to you |
Well you obviously aren't ignoring me.
And yet again, 1000 words to say nothing. |
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Alan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| higgsboson wrote: |
Well you obviously aren't ignoring me.
And yet again, 1000 words to say nothing. |
1) "Ignored" by the public, or anyone who can actually change the situation.
You can annoy me if that's your aim in life.
2) It's 100 fucking words, few of my posts go much over that. I thought a self-proclaimed physics maven could count, at least to within an order of magnitude. Or are you attempting to be ironic? If so, fail.
3) Unfortunately, your own words say rather too much. |
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