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[ziahk]

Most of the dog owners are not cleaning up after their ...............

An appeal (repeated)
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Please be considerate, honest and clean up after your dog.................

before we may contract any kind of dis-ease that we could not even imagine

now.

Thank you

[ziahk]

Still Dog Poo Poo everywhere.

[Lokkanat]

I have seen a lot of dog owners cleaning up.

You can say 'a lot' or 'many' dog owners are not cleaning up. But please do not say 'most' as you are implying the majority. And it is wrong to be misleading.

If you are worried about disease, there are a number of things you can write about from illegal dumping of construction waste materials, poor coordination of public work resulting in puddles and a proliferation of mosquitos, to parents and guardians blatantly allowing their brats to climbing, crawling, and slobbering all over the ferry seats.

Construction waste materials can carry toxins which pollute the environment and endanger the health of people.

Mosquitos can spread dengue fever.

Brats with their dirty shoes and saliva all over the ferry seats spread probably more germs and diseases than dog poo. When you are on the ferry, you are exposed to the germs and diseases spread by those brats. If you notice, the seats are not wiped every 2 hours like most elevators and public places.

So ask yourself if you are more likely to contract some vile germs and diseases from the ferry seats or from walking pass a doggie poo! While you are bound to touch something on the ferry, you are unlikely to be touching doggie poo unless you have some kinky fetish.

I am not saying it is all right for dog owners to leave the doggie poo around.

But it is not all right to blame and accuse 'most' dog owners as there are many dog owners who do clean up.

[Lokkanat]

Oh! One more thing! You first posted on Monday and then posting 2 days later to complain about 'still poo poo everywhere'.

What do you expect? Some poo fairies to take the poo poo away in the middle of the night while you sleep?

[Lokkanat]

Ziahk, on the forum topic Cats and Snakes, you wrote on May 17 as follows:

"Is it not cruel to keep any animal, bird or any kind of creature indoor ?
Be it domestic or wild ?

"Is it not us categorising them as wild, domestic (pet etc) and not the nature ?

"is it not natural for animals to roam out or birds fly around freely whether its hazardous or safe ?

"Are they not created that way ?

"Can anybody enlighten me sensibly ? Please ! "

If you see it natural for animals to roam around and be free, why do you now see dog poo a problem? Do you expect dogs to roam freely and clean up after themselves?

Or, do you have the acute sense to tell the difference between a dog poo by a free roaming dog and a dog poo by a dog with an owner?

So can you enlighten us how you can have double standards?

[minibeast]

well said, lokkanat

[ziahk]

Why not all dog owners clean up ?

Are they dis-abled to do so like their dogs ?

All dog owners should meet up and educate themselves ? !


Yes, well said, but not well done. !

[Tigger]

I'm with Lokkanat on this one. Well said.

My pets are currently curled up cozy watching the storm. They are very happy not to be out in nature right now Bit wet out there today!

[Lokkanat]

From 'most' to now 'all'. Hmmm.... You're getting worse! It sounds like you just don't like dog owners. You are choosing to ignore the fact that there are many dog owners who do clean up.

You have now chosen to make a sweeping statement accusing all dog owners and that they should educate themselves.

Well, if there is any education to be done, it should start with you.

[Xerxes]

Lokkanat,



Although I do agree with you that most dog owners I see in the evening do clean up their mess, the rest of your message is rather strange.

I get the impression that you like annimals more than people, the way you refer to children as Brats does seem to suggest that, and to suggest the childrens saliva spreads more disease than dog poo seems just plain stupid. Are you trying to say that you would feel safer kissing a dog turd than a child ?

[Granola Eater]

Free-range dog's eggs are healthier than those kept in cages.

[ziahk]

Well said, xerxes.

[Boss]

Xerxes - you are not quite getting the point. As a pet person who cleans up and as a parent, I really take exception to children standing on the seats. The danger apart, it is reeeeelly annoying to sit down in white or light shorts or pants and stand up with a kid's boot print on my bum. You might not mind this. I don't like turning up to meetings or lunch looking as if someone has kicked me.

Back to dogs. Yes, we should all be vigilant. I carry newspaper when I walk the dogs. Or if I am caught short (sorry about the pun) there is always a shopkeeper handy in the village or big leaves around. Oh, by the way, I also change the cat litter everyday at home. Same deal to me.

[juparka]

[Blazenski]

The sad fact is that appeals don't do any good, nor do notices threatening large fines. That minority who couldn't care less will not be deterred (sorry for the pun). It would need enforcement by some unit like the hawker patrol to actually seek out and fine people on the spot who violate.

[Lokkanat]

Not all children are brats. But those who use ferry chairs as playground toys are brats. Have you ever seen their parents or guardians wipe down the chairs? Have you ever seen their parents or guardians tell them not to dirty the ferry chairs?

There are a lot of well-behaved children on the ferry and there are a lot of responsible parents and guardians who do discipline.

I like children and I like animals. I do not like brats.

Some parents and guardians should educate themselves and their children about basic respect for public properties. But I wouldn't say "all' parents and guardians should get together and educate themselves.

If ziahk had said "some" dog owners should educate themselves, I would have had no problem at all as some should indeed. But ziahk said "all" and that I find sweeping and dismissive because there are many dog owners who do clean up.

Here is an analogy. Some Chinese spit in the street. Would you then say all Chinese spit in the street? Or, some expats drink and get into bar fights. Would you say all expats drink and get into bar fights? You wouldn't.

[Alan]

[Ferryman]

[Lokkanat]

Dog shit or brats or parents and guardians who don't do their job to discipline and educate today's children, the fact is they give Lamma a bad name.

If you don't want to hear about these things, then tell Lamma Gung to close down this forum.

The fact that we have this forum and the fact that people are posting on this forum is because we believe we can still do somehting about such things for Lamma.

So we will probably have dog poos till we die and we'll probably have brats dirtying our ferry seats and we will always have parents and guardians who show no respect for other fellow Lammayans and condone the socially unacceptable behaviour of their children/brats.

So most of them may not be reading anything from this forum. Does it mean we should just stop voicing our grievances?

I have no problem with ziahk voicing his or her grievances about dog poo. But it is simply wrong and misleading to claim "MOST" and then to claim "ALL" penalizing all dog owners.

Alan, I fail to see the differenec between "all" and "all should". The fact remains there are responsible dog owners who do clean up. If you allow someone to claim and acuse ALL dog owners, you are not being fair to those responsible dog owners who have been cleaning up.

People complain about dog poos all the time. But be fair!!! Not all dog owners let their dogs poo and not clean up.

As a moderator Alan, why would you allow someone to defame ALL dog owners on Lamma? There are responsible dog owners who do clean up. And Lamma has a lot of responsible dog owners who do clean up. Why defame Lamma by allowing someone to claim ALL dog owners should meet up and educate themselves when we all know there are many responsible dog owners who are already doing the right thing.

Alan, do you have a problem with dog owners yourself?

[Birdface]

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