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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| A swimming pool would be good! |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | | A swimming pool would be good! |
How about an MTR station? |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | And a Park & Shop! and a MacDonalds!!
Only kidding.
Alan, why do you feel a swimming pool is comparable to an MTR? |
You're right, an MTR station would actually be used.
But they're similar in that neither will happen in my lifetime. |
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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Right, so you think none of the families with young kids living on Lamma would use a swimming pool?
That they would prefer to continue to travel to HK Island on weekends to visit public pools there?
I know you are happy to swim in the sea, Alan, you have told us this many times. But some people prefer not to swim in polluted seas and would rather swim in a pool. Whether you agree with this preference or not, it is a fact that some people feel this way. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | Right, so you think none of the families with young kids living on Lamma would use a swimming pool?
That they would prefer to continue to travel to HK Island on weekends to visit public pools there?
I know you are happy to swim in the sea, Alan, you have told us this many times. But some people prefer not to swim in polluted seas and would rather swim in a pool. Whether you agree with this preference or not, it is a fact that some people feel this way. |
Don't know why you live here if you think it's so toxic.
Sorry, I'm still voting for the MTR station. |
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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| The HK government uses out of date pollution standards. The graph would look very different if they used WTO standards. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | | The HK government uses out of date pollution standards. The graph would look very different if they used WTO standards. |
So there would be more e-coli?
And since when has the World Trade Organisation been an authority on water quality?
I've been swimming there almost daily for 15 years. My skin hasn't peeled off. No infections.
And the HK government is also in charge of municipal pools. So why would you trust them?
Look, enjoy chlorinated water all you like, be my guest, but if you try to justify your desire for millions of dollars to be spent to allay your fears, by making bald statements about how toxic the beach water is, I'll ask you to prove it. |
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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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As far as I am aware no raw sewage is pumped into municipal pools and there are no tankers or other ships sailing in these pools. So it seems to me quite obvious that a municipal pool is less polluted that the sea, although I agree the chlorine levels are sometimes eye wateringly high.
Alan, whether we agree on pollution standards or not, teh fact remains that many residents of Lamma do not wish to swim in the sea and these people may enjoy the facility of a swimming pool on Lamma.
I understand that you are not one of those people. Can you please understand that people with different views from you also have a right to express those views. |
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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Oh and I meant the WHO, not the WTO. Apologies for the error. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | | As far as I am aware no raw sewage is pumped into municipal pools and there are no tankers or other ships sailing in these pools. So it seems to me quite obvious that a municipal pool is less polluted that the sea, |
Really?
Not obvious to me.
But don't worry about inconvenient facts and figures, you want what you want.
| gargoyle wrote: | | teh fact remains that many residents of Lamma do not wish to swim in the sea and these people may enjoy the facility of a swimming pool on Lamma.. |
It's a "fact"?
I only speak for myself. If you claim to speak for "many", just what authority do you have for that?
| gargoyle wrote: | | Can you please understand that people with different views from you also have a right to express those views. |
If you express your views in a public forum, I have a right to respond. If you don't like that, you're in the wrong place.
And where do you get off implying that I said you could not "express your views"?
Just what have I done to suppress your opinion? |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | | Oh and I meant the WHO, not the WTO. Apologies for the error. |
| EPD wrote: | http://sc.info.gov.hk/gb/www.epd.gov.hk/epd/english/environmentinhk/water/beach_quality/bwq_faq.html
Q. How did we establish the Water Quality Objective for bathing water in Hong Kong ?
A. The current Water Quality Objective (WQO) for bathing water in Hong Kong was established on the basis of the results of several epidemiological studies carried out in collaboration with the local academics in the late 1980s. These epidemiological studies had been designed and conducted according to the guidelines and recommendations of the World Health Organisation. The WQO of Hong Kong was set at a geometric mean E. coli level of 180 per 100mL. This level was the threshold found in the local studies above which a significantly higher rate of swimming-associated illness symptom was observed. |
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gargoyle over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Alan, I give up. It's obviously impossible to have a civil conversation with you as you attack my every statement.
Rather immoderate for a moderator. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| gargoyle wrote: | Alan, I give up. It's obviously impossible to have a civil conversation with you as you attack my every statement.
Rather immoderate for a moderator. |
Citing verifiable facts is not an attack.
"Immoderate"? I have no obligation to support your prejudices. |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Guys, guys! I leave my home office for a few hours - biking to and from a late lunch in Mo Tat Wan Village - and there's another heated debate raging.
Can't we just agree to disagree? Can we hear from other people about their opinions? The questionnaires hand3d out this Saturday in front of Spicy Island allow you to tick "Swimming Pool" as one of several new infrastructures for Yung Shue Wan. Let's see what the results of this survey will be and how many percent actually would like a swimming pool.
My Personal Trainer also recommends me to start swimming regularly, besides all the hiking, biking, gym and yoga. But I've never ever ventured into the seas around Lamma yet, loving swimming pools myself for many other good and valid reasons, not being worried about the water pollution much myself. I should try swimming in the sea soon, I might actually like it.
I'll be ticking "Yes" on that questionnaire myself, but everybody is entitled to their own opinions, likes and preferences.
But the Lammarina infinity swimming pool, Lamma's first pool, will probably be finished long before, years before we'd ever get a public swimming pool, if ever. Maybe there'll be a way to get in there for a fee as it'll probably hardly be ever used by the few Lammarina residents... _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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Yogesh Chinese & Music Forums Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| If you need to go to a swimming pool very badly, you can go to public swimming pools at Kennedy Town / Morrison Hill / Wong Chuk Hang. |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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That's a long way just to cool off and swim for half an hour, I wouldn't do it.
I went to swimming pools when living on HK Island.
It's the same reason I signed up for the Island Gym, convenience, even though I could go to a much bigger and better gym in town for almost the same monthly rate. But I wouldn't travel to town 2-3 times a week just to visit a gym or a swimming pool. If it's close then people will use it much more frequently. It works for the gym in my case and I've been a regular for months now, even though I've never been in a gym in my life till last year.
But as it's pretty unlikely that we'll ever get a local swimming pool, I'll better start swimming in the sea... There are quite a few beautiful, sandy beaches here with nobody around at all. Lo So Shing is definitely the best public beach here, with very few visitors even in summertime. It's just a warm-up bike ride away from Yung Shue Wan and it'll feel great to cool off there... _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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tjungarayi over 400 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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How about a compromise. Perhaps one of our enterprising food merchants can incoporate one of those pools that lie above the restuarant seating. You could even put a few fish in there as well., maybe even a green turtle. Sort of free range fish.
I think its a good idea and someone should look into it. Tourists would love it. Gawking at shimmering pale forms gliding through the aqua as they chow down to a yummy stir fry picking succulent morsels of reef fish from their plates.
Have a swim then eat, or for those weight conscious among us, eat, strip off, then do a few circuits.
This is a Cantonese first, Where else will you find cheap eats with the option of exercise and entertaining - all in the same breath.
Its a money spinner guys. _________________ Age. Fac ut gaudeam |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | If it's close then people will use it much more frequently. |
Except that the great part of those who might use a pool are commuters. (Tourists aren't going to catch a ferry here to visit a pool.) So they would be only able to use a pool late in the evening, or on the weekend.
And knowing the way the government works, it would probably only be open 9-6 weekdays.
A pool here would probably be unavailable when you actually wanted to use it, and never come close to covering fixed costs. So it would require a huge subsidy every year to keep it open.
The LCSD has at least 10 full time staff at the beach. To invest millions of dollars on a facility that would only compete with that is impossible to justify. (Though the local politicians would of course love for such a large concrete structure to be built, regardless of the upkeep, which they don't have to worry about.)
| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | There are quite a few beautiful, sandy beaches here with nobody around at all. |
One nice swimming point is the pier at Shek Li, along from the Tannery beach.
You can dive off into quite deep water. But you have to then swim round to the little beach to get out, there's no stairway. |
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Bimberson

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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LAmmagung wrote:
| Quote: | | biking to and from a late lunch in Mo Tat Wan Village |
Two years ago, who would have dreamed that this would be coming from LG's pen? It just goes to show that in the future, anything is possible. _________________ My eyes are up here |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Even one year ago, it would have sounded crazy.
Thinking about biking to Queen Mary Hospital today, via Aberdeen, meeting my surgeon for a regular follow-up. I've never biked on HK Island before, is it even legal to use the normal roads or do I need to bike on the sidewalk?
I won't forget to thank her again for enabling me to go from 5 different daily medications one year ago to being completely drugs-free (actually, no drugs at all, inc. alcohol, tobacco and illegal ones; not counting coffee.)
But going swimming in the ocean would be another brand-new experience for me, another challenge I'm eager to try. Or should I wait for a local swimming pool? I might be a grand grandad by that time, a Lamma-Gung-Gung.  _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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