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[Lokkanat]

So the Dark Side Of Lamma has been banished to the Fight Club. I guess no one wants to know about the Dark Side or admit there is a Dark Side to Lamma.

Just like there are wizards and witches living alongside with Muggles, there are demons living in our Shire. What's wrong with stories about demons?

What a shame! There are so many personal attacks taking place here. While some can be harmless fun, others are just down right malicious. When victims talk about what they have endured, they are attacked and victimized. Yet, some of these malicious posts stay on.

I wonder if they are allowed to stay on as a warning to silence people, to stop people from coming forth to suggest there is anything wrong with our Shire.

What a sham!

[Alan]

[Lokkanat]

Whatever!

I think I know what this forum is all about anyway.

What a shame!

[juparka]

Lokkanat is a great creative writer. I enjoy reading his stories. If this thread is truly about pictures and stories, writers should be given their rights to write their stories without prejudices.

The novel Animal Farm is a satire of the Russian revolution. The story takes place on a farm somewhere in England. The story is told by an all-knowing narrator in the third person.

Being a reader, I’m profoundly saddened that prosecution of modern literature exists.

[Tigger]

[Lamma-Gung]

[Lokkanat]

I made no attempt to name-and-shame. As I explained to Lamma-Gung earlier, I used reference to a seemingly current event to create interest as an intro to the Dark Side.

Lamma.com made the wrong presumption. Without even checking with me at all, they made the prejudicial decision to remove it to Fight Club. Alan's post also misled people to assume I was making any personal attacks.

Talk about freedom of speech. I have not even started writing the stories.

I also wonder why this Lamma.com forum would allow such hate threads like recruiting people to kick dogs. So it's ok to condone such hatred but not ok to write stories about the bigotry, racism, greed, etc. the dark side of Lamma.

What a shame! Whaa sham!

[Lamma-Gung]

Writing fictional stories about whatever you like is fine, but describing real-life incidents with police involvement, making it easy to identify and shame the people involved, is NOT OK in this forum. Topics like this ALWAYS backfire and cause a lot of harm and hurt in the community, never ever resulting in any kind of solution or positive outcome. We've learned this from bitter experience and simply won't let that happen again.

Stupid and offensive topics like recruiting dog-kickers, posted by dog owners, are obviously in jest and not trying to incite hate (I hope). They were obviously simply trying to rile you up...and succeeded. Freedom of speech covers stupid topics and not just what you personally agree with.

Posts get moved into Fight Club without notification, if they violate the simple and obvious rules. Justifying these moves with long, time-consuming explanations is usually totally fruitless, so no point in wasting time on that.

If several messages from a single member have to be moved within a short time, you'll get banned for some time and I'll notify you. This is rare, but it happens occasionally and usually without any hard feelings from the banned members.

You're welcome to start your Dark Side of Lamma and other stories in the Pictures and Stories forum, without personal attacks and identifying real people.
But if you like to continue attacking real people for whatever reasons you should do so only in the private Fight Club forum.

[Yogesh]

Dark side of Lamma? When the sun is in the west, the eastern side of Lamma becomes the dark side.

The dark side in humans are to do with the subconscious mind. Just turn on the "lights" and it will go away. Believe in the change you can bring in you.

[juparka]

2009.02.25 (Lokkanat)

[G.O.D.S]

That Lokkanat doesn't half go on eh?What a bunch of old toss.

[Lokkanat]

Innocent until proven guilty.

In this case you made a decision to move Dark Side to Fight Club based on your own presumption. You judged beforehand. That is prejudice.

You then on open forum talked about me coming up with personal attacks and me using Dark Side stories to name and shame and to attack real people for my personal feuds without even having read any of my Dark Side stories. Hey, I have not even started writing any.

Now, that’s personal attack! You have accused me of something based on your own presumption on the open forum.

If this is how you want to run this Lamma.com Forum which is supposed to be a community service, so be it. You’re the boss.

If you feel you can make such open and direct accusations or attacks based on your own presumption on the open forum, who can criticize you. You’re the boss. You can do whatever you want. But I would challenge whether this is still a community service at all.

On allowing hate threads like ‘recruiting dog kickers’, I only have this to say. I believe in animal rights and I do not find it politically correct to allow such threads to stay on in the Pet Forum. The Pet Forum is dedicated to the love of animals. Those threads are not about the love of animals.

It seems you find it acceptable to leave such hate threads on to rile people, to use your own words. To what purpose for our community do you expect this riling to achieve? They serve nothing. They only make you or the Forum come across as condoning such threads. These threads serve nothing but intimidate and silence people from coming forth with their own experiences.

Racist jokes can be funny to some people. I bet racist jokes will rile a lot of people too. If you get threads like racist jokes or like ‘recruiting bashers to discipline local Chinese’ or queer bashers wanted’, do make sure you let them stay on. You have made it quite clear it is ok to allow them to stay on the forum to rile people.

Don’t tell me they are different. Animal cruelty is just as vile as racism and discrimination.

For the sake of freedom of speech, just label them as stupid threads. They are not hate threads. Just let them stay on to rile people. They serve no purpose to our community. Hey, as long as people are still clicking in to see what’s on, we are still in business as a community service.

Now I know what this Forum is all about!

[Alan]

[Lokkanat]

Dark Side was posted under Pictures & Stories and I made it clear it was about demons living in our "Shire". I have always used "Shire" to denote it's fictitious.

[Lamma-Gung]

Alan has summarised it pretty well above and I agree with him.

Lokkanat was writing a factual, not fictitious description of an ugly recent incident in a local bar which involved the police, even naming the bar. Nothing fictitious about it at all. So it was moved to Fight Club by the moderator, without prejudice and without official notification, unaltered and with no censorship of the message itself, according to the simple rules of our community forum. No big deal, it happens occasionally and nobody has EVER whined and bitterly complained about a simple message move as much as Lokkanat.

He's right, I'm the boss here, I run this community forum and I've spent 7.5 years moderating it daily, with a very light touch, I think. But I make the final decisions here, not a committee. Unmoderated forums usually die off quickly and this has almost happened a few years back, when we were flooded by a group of people attacking other members constantly.

This forum was only saved by imposing and enforcing our basic rules and moving messages occasionally and uncensored into the private-members-only Fight Club forum. I've been trying hard to be as fair, neutral and impartial as possible, taking all the occasional attacks like Lokkanat's in my stride and will continue to do so. I'm far from perfect, I've made mistakes and some people have occasionally strongly disagreed with some decision, but I've tried my best, I hope.

I like Lokkanat's tales, but even as the "Official Storyteller", he's not above the rules which apply to everybody, even myself. I've been moved to Fight Club myself before. If he doesn't like following the rules, then there are millions of other, unmoderated forums out there. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to read more fictitious tales and less about real-life fights escalating into police matters.

[Tigger]

[Lokkanat]

The point is I used a seemingly current event as an intro to create interest so as to bring in Dark Side stories. Even I myself don't know what Dark Side stories I will be writing.

Anyway, between Lamma-Gung and Alan, each time they have managed to bring in more personal attacks against me and each time seems to escalate a bit more. From personal attacks, personal feuds, to 'continue to attack' and kangaroo courts to personal enemies.

I have merely stated my case and expressed how I feel about all this and the Forum. In return, what do I get? More escalating personal attacks against me.

Like I said before, now I know what this Forum is all about.

[Alan]

[G.O.D.S]

[higgsboson]

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