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Lamma-Gung
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| Alan wrote: | | the helipad will not be on a reclamation, but pilings over water. |
They're using the pilings method for the helipad, not a small reclamation?
I remember that the pilings method was also turned down in the helipad meeting by the attendees and even the consultants. The consultant said that it would require about half a year of extremely noisy pile driving, audible from Po Wah Yuen to Wang Long, about 20 meters deep into the sea bed, taking almost one week for each of the 20+ pylons necessary for the helipad and the long bridge leading to it.
The other option was to dredge & dig all the holes, with all the intensive water pollution in YSW harbour that would cause.
A real Hobbs' (or Sophie's) choice...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | They're using the pilings method for the helipad, not a small reclamation? I remember that the pilings method was also turned down in the helipad meeting by the attendees and even the consultants. |
| Jimmy Chan, Civil Engineering Department wrote: | We had completed the Report for the Value Management Workshop conducted earlier this year for the helipad project at Yung Shue Wan.
Please note that we would follow the result of the Workshop for building the Yung Shue Wan helipad, i.e. by adopting the piling option instead of reclamation. |
So it looks like the official record says that you all supported the piling method. You obviously are misremembering.
| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | The consultant said that it would require about half a year of extremely noisy pile driving |
And the reason they stopped using the football pitch is that landing a copter there a few times a month was too noisy?
I'm glad I don't live near there. |
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Lamma-Gung
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan wrote: | | So it looks like the official record says that you all supported the piling method. You obviously are misremembering. |
I know you're sarcastic here about the consultation process, and rightfully so.
There were two meetings and I only attended the first one, having written notes & handouts to confirm what was discussed.
What Mr Chan above is talking about is the second meeting, the Value Management Workshop. They started that meeting with the premise of having ignored all the other options for the location and were only discussing HOW to construct the helipad out in the harbour, basically different ways of pilings and reclamations for the long bridge and half-football-field-sized platform.
Save Lamma would have more details on that 2nd workshop...
Could we see the entire memo from Mr Chan, please? They promised to keep all of us meeting attendees informed on the outcome, but never did, as expected.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | Save Lamma would have more details on that 2nd workshop... |
They have nothing at all about the helipad on their website.
| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | Could we see the entire memo from Mr Chan, please? They promised to keep all of us meeting attendees informed on the outcome, but never did, as expected. |
I've already quoted most of the cover letter. The rest I've sent it to you, a 981k PDF. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan wrote: | | To be accurate, the helipad will not be on a reclamation, but pilings over water. There will be less interference with natural water flow than a solid reclamation. If the water isn't too polluted it might even make a habitat for shellfish and other marine life. |
Pardon my ignaorance here - but what exactly is involved with water piling? Does it mean they'll thump a few big fat poles into the sea bed and then one big fat slap of concrete on top, so the helipad looks somewhat similar to the ferry pier?
At least they did think about natural water flow in the process... |
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| Samson wrote: | | Pardon my ignaorance here - but what exactly is involved with water piling? Does it mean they'll thump a few big fat poles into the sea bed and then one big fat slap of concrete on top, so the helipad looks somewhat similar to the ferry pier? |
Basically. But the "thumping" will be about six months of very noisy piledriving for those poor souls around the bay to endure. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Alan wrote: | | But the "thumping" will be about six months of very noisy piledriving for those poor souls around the bay to endure. |
Wonder if those poor souls between Po Wah Yuen and Wang Long know what they're about to endure!
As for me in the 6 months? Guess I'll be standing at the pier next to the football field as usual, but instead of admiring the view, I'll think to myself what a bloody eye sore these piledriving machines - with ear muffs on! (Surely no one else would hear me if I had spoken anyway!) |
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I've been going through the documents on the meetings, thanks Alan and Lamma Gung 
| Alan wrote: | | To be accurate, the helipad will not be on a reclamation, but pilings over water. |
In the docs, there was mentioning of 2 different methods of piling, ie Percussive and Bored - do we know which method will be used?? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Refer section 7.11 of the VMS report. Piling preferred. Though for the small size and location of the heli-pad it doesn't really matter if they formed it will fill. Just stops the dreaded word reclamation from being used for the sake of joe public environmental guru. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: New helipad completed! |
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Finally, some great news:
The temporary helipad is completed now, less than 1 minute from the Lamma Clinic! (Photo taken today)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Helipad construction photos |
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The construction of the new helipad at a cost of just below $20 million is finally progressing. Pictures below were taken yesterday.
While shooting, a construction guy was coming up to me, telling me to stop taking pictures! A public project on public land, paid for by public money, visible from every direction and you can't take pictures? He must have been joking. I told him off (in a friendly way, of course) and continued the photo shoot.
As soon as it'll be finished, a sewage treatment plant will be built in the entire area of the current temporary helipad above.
Also, most streets in Yung Shue Wan will be ripped up to put in the sewage pipes from most houses to the sewage plant, replacing the current septic tanks. Project cost will be way beyond $200 millions.
And yes, all flat owners will have to pay for the connection from their house to the sewage pipes, typically tens of thousands of dollars. But you'll have time till something like 2012 to save up...
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