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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2002 10:43 pm    Post subject: can drivers and bikers slow down? Reply with quote

what do u think?

i hate it when the village vehicles speed by when children are off school and elders are going to the main street. bikers (and holiday bikers) do the same, even with the weekend crowds. do we need an accident before they would slow down?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 12:20 am    Post subject: I agree! Reply with quote

And what about this '10 mins' before and after ferry departs where they should be staying away from ferry pier. DIdn't last long did it? Can LammaNetPolice please comment?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate it when bikers trying to bypass me walking from the ferry terminal to the village. I always try to block them than giving way. The bikers should be whipped by Lamma Net Police. That should please him....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 5:08 am    Post subject: ! Reply with quote

Webdog - you seem er obsessed with 'whipping' and 'LammaNetPolice'? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2002 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really don't mind giving way to the bikers as long as they ask politely with a "ng-goi" or "pls". i definitely would not give way to those that come 30 yards away with their "DING! DING! DING!" or sometimes even more annoying sounds. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:07 am    Post subject: Respecting the rights of others Reply with quote

It is always difficult for peacekeepers to strike an equitable balance between the needs of various community members. It should be remembered that if no laws have been broken, the police are powerless to act.

It may be annoying, but emitting a 'ding ding' noise contravenes no regulations. If it were illegal to go 'ding ding' you would not be permitted to use your telephone unless perhaps it featured a vibrating alert mechanism as many modern phones indeed do.

Perhaps the answer to the needs of the concerned citizens in this community is to equip themselves with bicycles or perhaps counter-village vehicles designed along the lines of the 'monster trucks" that have emerged in the United States for a similar purpose.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Respecting the rights of others Reply with quote

LammaNetPolice wrote:
It may be annoying, but emitting a 'ding ding' noise contravenes no regulations. If it were illegal to go 'ding ding' you would not be permitted to use your telephone unless perhaps it featured a vibrating alert mechanism as many modern phones indeed do.


sure officer, annoying "DING DING"s do not break any laws. just like testing mobile phone ringing tones on the ferry. it just gets on your nerves. don't u think "DING DING"ing all the way the bike is going is like yelling "GET OUT OF MY WAY, U MORONS!" its not law-breaking, but its sure not a nice way to greet your fellow islanders.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:13 pm    Post subject: You cant win... Reply with quote

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i really don't mind giving way to the bikers as long as they ask politely with a "ng-goi" or "pls". i definitely would not give way to those that come 30 yards away with their "DING! DING! DING!" or sometimes even more annoying sounds.


I'm a cyclist - I started using my bell at the request of various non-cyclists who told me they prefer a polite Ding Ding from some yards back than a sudden 'excuse me' when I'm close behind them. A warning ding from a distance allows you to casually move to the edge of the path rather than jumping at the sudden discovery of a fast moving object close behind you.

That said - I agree completely that the cretins who think they have to give a continuous "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding " from mount to dismount should be actively discouraged from doing so.

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I hate it when bikers trying to bypass me walking from the ferry terminal to the village. I always try to block them than giving way.


1 thats very childish

2 its likely to get you or someone else hurt.

3 What hapenned to all the 'peace love & lamma, live and let live" spirit you laud on other forums ?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:30 pm    Post subject: a polite "ding ding" is preferred Reply with quote

point taken, malcolm. yes, people do have different preferences and anything that is polite would be good enough.

anyone cares to comment on speeding vehicles? acutally, i have lost a kitten to one that was speeding down the slopes. poor kitty just didn't have a chance to escape. Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: You cant win... Reply with quote

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I hate it when bikers trying to bypass me walking from the ferry terminal to the village. I always try to block them than giving way.


1 thats very childish

2 its likely to get you or someone else hurt.

3 What hapenned to all the 'peace love & lamma, live and let live" spirit you laud on other forums ?

Malcolm


It's nice to have a cyclist here to exchange opinions. I just wanted to make a point. I think it's extremely dangerous for the cyclist to zig-zag through the crowd. The road is already quite narrow, even for pedestrians alone. Some cyclists would just walk with their bike until they see the road is clear of crowd, but a few just dash through it. This is not about live and let live, since it's about safety.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2002 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As another polite and civil cyclist, I get pissed with the VV drivers who storm up and down the paths knocking people out of the way. The other day I was forced into knocking a pedestrian as the VV sweved out of the way of a tiny pothole and forced the rest of the path users into the verge. Another area is at the top of the incline past Skorpio and the laundrette where the paths halves it's width (any reason why?) and the VV's want to drive on the cement, forcing pedestrians into the dirt and, often, puddles alongside. People should stand their ground and make the VV's go past on the dirt. Also, if you see a VV coming toward you at pace, if you have time step into the middle of the path and make it slow. Nervous stuff but the look on their faces is well worth it- particularly the bastard on the badly sprayed black one.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2002 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norseman wrote:
Another area is at the top of the incline past Skorpio and the laundrette where the paths halves it's width (any reason why?).


Last year when there was a notice that that section was to be dug up for laying cables I wrote to the District Office to ask if they could widen it when they replaced the road. They replied that they couldn't because that land is privately owned -- presumably the mud part of the road. Whoever owns the block to the uphill side, which looks like it is being "developed" or turned into a garbage dump, hard to tell, is probably holding out for a few million in compensation.

Meanwhile the District Office is happily spending millions (literally) on roads to nowhere in the countryside, currently proposing, for instance to double the width of the path to Sok Kwu Wan because "tourists get crowded" there. Who makes money from laying concrete on Lamma?*

*(Rhetorical question.)

Back on bikes, I was something of a guerrilla cyclist back in Melbourne. I found that pedestrians have an exaggerated fear of cyclists. When going through a crowd it was much better to zip by them unannounced rather than warn them, causing many to jump around unpredictably when startled. (People jumped after I passed, when it was safe.) I was on the university cycling committe and had to deal with complaints of dangerous cyclists. However there was never an actual accident where anyone was hurt, people just though it looked dangerous. (I couldn't help but think the same people would brush by me in a car without a second thought, or push me onto the gravel.)

Just recall basic physics, mass of cyclist + bike ~= mass of pedestrian, so each will be equally hurt in a collision, actually since a cyclist may well take a header into the road, he stands a much greater chance of fatal injury. So cyclists have a personal interest in not running into anyone (even a large dog.)

However, on Lamma with its very narrow crowded paths it's a bit different and I've actually had to use a bell for the first time. Local Chinese generally make way without a fuss (by which I mean just angling sideways, there's no need to jump off the path and prostrate yourself), however some gweilos seem to take offence as if the roads here were purely pedestrian paths, and move to the centre to deliberately block cyclists. Curiously few seem to confront the VVs in the same aggessive way. We all have to share the same space a little give and take is required.

Just try not to feel road rage unless the situation actually warrants it. Since walking a bike you take up more space than riding, just because someone is riding a bike slowly behind you doesn't necessarily mean they're being aggressive. (Not to say there aren't dickheads on bikes here, especially those who rent them for the weekend and wobble all over dragging their feet to brake.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:

Who makes money from laying concrete on Lamma?*

*(Rhetorical question.)

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I don't hink it should be a rhetorical question. Exact details of who benefits from these constructions and proposed developments would make very interesting reading.

As Private Eye says, I think we should be told.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:13 pm    Post subject: CHARGE! Reply with quote

Norseman wrote:
Also, if you see a VV coming toward you at pace, if you have time step into the middle of the path and make it slow. Nervous stuff but the look on their faces is well worth it- particularly the bastard on the badly sprayed black one.


disappointed tried it before. one VV van was coming towards me at rather high speed. i purposely did not give way as he can move over to avoid me. but sorry! he put on his "you killed my whole family" look and continue to charge at me. t'was my losing battle!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you need is the HK ostrich tactic.

Thats where people head towards a collision and suddenly look at their feet, or their phone or whatever - Anything except at you. The logic is that if they cant see you its your problem to get out of their way.

I occasionaly react to really blatant examples of this by stopping with one hand out in front of me - Most people suddenly recover their eyesight, and the few who dont get really upset or embarassed at walking into a stationary object. A good place to practice this is on the walkway in Central from the GPo to Swire House.

Once you've practiced on people its time to move on to VVs which takes a little more dedication.

Another tactic that really pisses off cyclists (and would work for VV's too is to plant yourself solidly in one place. Make it obvious that you've seen the oncoming, an decided to stop so you dont step into their path. The people who do this to me always manage to stop on a narrow point of the path, and in such a position that I have to slow to a crawl or stop to pass them.

Please try it with VV's , and I'll come and visit you in hospital if it doesnt work right first time... Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you need is the HK ostrich tactic.

Thats where people head towards a collision and suddenly look at their feet, or their phone or whatever - Anything except at you. The logic is that if they cant see you its your problem to get out of their way.

I occasionaly react to really blatant examples of this by stopping with one hand out in front of me - Most people suddenly recover their eyesight, and the few who dont get really upset or embarassed at walking into a stationary object. A good place to practice this is on the walkway in Central from the GPo to Swire House.

Once you've practiced on people its time to move on to VVs which takes a little more dedication.

Another tactic that really pisses off cyclists (and would work for VV's too) is to plant yourself solidly in one place. Make it obvious that you've seen the oncoming, an decided to stop so you dont step into their path. The people who do this to me always manage to stop on a narrow point of the path, and in such a position that I have to slow to a crawl or stop to pass them.

Please try it with VV's , and I'll come and visit you in hospital if it doesnt work right first time... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

malcolm wrote:


Please try it with VV's , and I'll come and visit you in hospital if it doesnt work right first time... Wink



hmmmmmm..... i've always wanted a free helicopter ride.... maybe i should consider this. would u mind standing in for me as slave to mr 3 while i'm at the hospital?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink Dear Malcolm,
I totally agree what you says!! most of the time the people just pretended didn't hear the bell and start walking slowly, like webdog love blocking the way............. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hmmmmmm..... i've always wanted a free helicopter ride.... maybe i should consider this. would u mind standing in for me as slave to mr 3 while i'm at the hospital?


who is Mr3 ? and would he accept a substitute ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best way to avoid these situations is to weigh more than 200lbs and grow a beard, you'd be surprised how polite people can be Smile (and if not polite, they look silly falling over) A big heavy rucksack is also an advantage (Mass++)

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