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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some debate about whether the Chung Yeung festival is really for grave sweeping at all - the legend giving rise to it just mentions going to high ground as a means of avoiding harm, promoting good fortune etc.

The main festival is in April - Ching Ming, when Mt Panorama was torched. At least in April there are several months of rain to follow, so there is some chance of regeneration. Now, there are several months of dry, so if the sun doesn't shrivel up any remaining vestiges of life, the hundreds of tons of salt water dumped on the hillside will take care of the rest. I really find the whole thing quite depressing.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Lamma-Gung's Chung Yeung adventure Reply with quote

Sorry to step into this depressive, investigative topic, but let me tell you about my own more uplifting grave-sweeping experience yesterday, more typical of the vast majority of Hongkongers who can't get or afford their own huge grave up on a hillside with seaview. Bu the rituals are very similar for tiny and huge graves.

We visited the double grave of Lamma-Por's parents, like almost every year, in the Catholic cemetary above Lai Chi Kok MTR station on Kowloon-side, thousands of gravestones covering the entire hillside. It's a steep walk to the top of the hill as no traffic is allowed inside the cemetary during the peak season of grave-sweeping, meaning the few days and weekend closest to Chung Yeung, plus the entire month of Ching Ming when all filial children are supposed to pay respects to their ancestors twice a year. Lamma-Por is following this strictly and I've gone along about a dozen times so far.

Four generations of the family assembled at the grave from all over Hong Kong, 3 of them alive, one cremated in little urns behind a mere pigeon hole-sized niche in one of many parallel walls with several hundred gravestone niches each, 6 rows high. In front of each row of gravestones there's a tiny ledge to place offerings.

The actual ritual goes like this as it has become more informal and shorter over the years:
The grave is sweeped first, meaning cleaned of dust, candle wax traces, etc. Then fresh and watered flowers are put into a tiny vase in front of the gravestone, birthday cake candles or tea lights lit and some small food items and fruits placed on the little ledge, typically any type of buns.

The rituals is basic ancestor worship, assuming they are still watching you from the afterlife and can influence your life directly via good and bad luck and putting in a good word for you with the many gods of the Chinese belief system (not really a religion, more a tradition). It seems to have been adopted by and integrated into other religions in HK, even Christians.

Each visitor talks to his/her ancestors individually, one person after another, like a quiet prayer, asking your ancestors for good luck & success in your family, job, love life, Mark Six, etc. Then you bow three times towards the grave stone.

My step grandson, the Millennium baby, visited his Tai-Po and Tai-Gung (great grandparents) for the very first time. He was taught the entire ritual, after being formally introduced aloud by name and family line to his ancestors who he had never met or seen before.

A little snacking by the visitors is optional, water bottles are a must. Before leaving, the individual prayers and bowing three times is repeated by each visitor, including the gwailo who's just tagging along to please his wife. She takes this ritual very seriously and is so happy and grateful to see the family united at the grave of her parents..

The litter left behind on, below and around the graves is pretty amazing & impressive in its sheer volume and variety. The cleaning troupes will be kept busy for days with the huge mess of dripping wax, rotting food, dying flowers, tissues and debris left over from grave-sweeping, drink bottles, lighters, etc.

Afterwards, our three generations retreated to a caverous Dim Sum place with a long line outside where you get a number and wait... and wait before getting a table. The supposedly "rich uncle from Lamma" was footing the bill, of course. Fortunately, Dim Sum in Lai Chi Kok is way better, more varied and much cheaper than in Yung Shue Wan!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like how it should be - an opportunity for reflection, for remembering those who still live on in fond memories, to get together as a family.

But surely this could all be possible without the bi-annual orgy of arson. Can you shed any light (no pun intended) on whether fires are deplored, tolerated or deliberatly encouraged among the grave-sweeping population at large?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zep wrote:

But surely this could all be possible without the bi-annual orgy of arson. Can you shed any light (no pun intended) on whether fires are deplored, tolerated or deliberatly encouraged among the grave-sweeping population at large?

IMHO I would presume that arson is tolerated.

This happened about four years ago after the $250,000 fine warning notices were put up in Po Wah Yuen on the way up to the PCCW/telecom building:

A young couple who were beating the arson rush, had their joss stick action get out of control and ignite the dry scrub next to the grave they were 'tending'.

They legged it down the hill past me towards the ferry.

When I got up towards the PCCW station the bush-fire was going quite nicely.

I called Lamma's finest who arrived in a flash-and-a-blur 30 minutes later - he must have been in the vicinity because the fire brigade had already arrived and started their aerobics in asbestos lined suits.

Our helper said she had walked up the hill earlier and seen the same couple and pointed out the grave.

It was the only grave around with any offerings. There were fresh incense sticks (the fat ones, freshly lit), fresh fruit and that mornings newspaper half burnt, with burnt hillside stretching away from it with the wind.

People were standing on the rooftops around 75 to 85 Po Wah Yuen with hose pipes on full to keep the fire from their houses.

I told the rozzer we had seen the only couple in that area of graves running towards the ferry and offered a description.

I ventured that the next ferry had probably not yet left, and that they would probably still be on the pier if he needed me to identify them for his enquiries.

"Not necessary" said he.

"But there is a $250,000 fine for arson notice posted right here" said I.

"It is traditional worship" says he doing a do-jeh 多謝, hands clasped, holding some incense style-ee charade.

He then asked to come into our house to use the phone to call the Lamma station to say that all was well.

While taking down my name, address, telephone number, ID card number, he got a paper-cut from his notebook and begged for a Band-Aid to staunch the droplet of blood on his finger.

All in all a big day out for Mr. Plod.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zep wrote:
Now, there are several months of dry, so if the sun doesn't shrivel up any remaining vestiges of life, the hundreds of tons of salt water dumped on the hillside will take care of the rest. I really find the whole thing quite depressing.

Zep...... was that you I saw doing a rain-dance on top of Pak Kok Shan yesteray afternoon? it worked!!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zep wrote:
Can you shed any light (no pun intended) on whether fires are deplored, tolerated or deliberatly encouraged among the grave-sweeping population at large?

Lamma-Por is not sure about all the intricate details as she's grown up Catholic and only observes the parts of the ritual that don't clash with Catholic beliefs.
Basically, fires like these are deplored in general nowadays by the younger generation, as attitudes have changed over the last decades as people have become better educated and exposed to Western environmental attitudes.

But much of the older generation still tolerates them as a mishap, an accident, as they don't traditionally care about wild plants and animals anyway. The plants are burnt, the animals are killed... well, it's unfortunate, but so what... it'll grow back anyway... it's not in my own garden, so who cares? Why endanger myself in putting out the fire I started accidentally? Just leave quickly and ignore it, hoping not to get caught. That would be a typical attitude of a firebug. This traditional local disregard for nature in genral, flora & fauna (except pets) is something I could never accept in so many years of living in HK.

Nobody's ever been fined on Lamma for starting a grave-sweeping fire, correct?

Surprisingly, the fires do not cause bad luck for the ancestors or the firestarters at all. Actually, bigger fire would be better for the ancestors, more worship, more offerings being burnt, good for the ancestor's standing in the afterlife, in the incredibly complex hierarchy of Chinese Heaven and Hell.

But it's unlikely that this could be a reason for intentional firestarting, which is something Lamma-Por has never heard of. But she's a city girl and in all-concrete city cemetaries there's no fire danger from all the candles and joss sticks.

Answering your question:
deplored: mostly by the younger generation.
tolerated: by the older generation, as long as their homes are not threatened.
deliberately encouraged: no, not at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Miller wrote:
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Zep...... was that you I saw doing a rain-dance on top of Pak Kok Shan yesteray afternoon?


Yes, that was me, see picture below. I was just seeing if I still had the power. Pity I didnt remember to do it last week. Still, I'll keep in shape for the coming Ching Ming.

You have to be a bit careful about revealing your identity in these dangerous times, so please don't show the photo to anyone else.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Zep,
We'll expect you to be dressed like that at our next moderator meeting/dinner!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:45 am    Post subject: Another bush fire Reply with quote

Another bush fire above Tai Peng this weekend...

Pictures and eyewitness account in the Lamma-zine Blog today, March 7...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the picture of the charred hillside, it would seem apparent that the fire swept up from the graves at the bottom. However, this is not the case - I saw the early stages of the fire through binoculars from the back road to powerstation beach - it started up at the top near the cable road close to where this picture was taken

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Lamma-Gung's Chung Yeung adventure Reply with quote

Lamma-Gung's blog wrote:
These are really becoming recurring & dangerous occurrences, not limited to the Chung Yeung & Ching Ming grave-sweeping festivals anymore!

Ching Ming is April 5th; a few weeks away. Sometimes people like to get in early. And there have been accounts of people setting fires in advance to clear the ground before the festival. Creating a real emergency, danger, and costs of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to save them some bush bashing.
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