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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

Joined: 01 Aug 2002 Posts: 5631 Location: Yung Shue Wan
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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There's a new notice up about the WIP on the drainage channel "improvements" going into the harbour between Green Cottage and the Beer Garden:
That pretty little piece of sandy beach outside the Green Cottage will be used for construction purposes as a "works site" for THREE YEARS starting next month! This time has more than doubled since we've seen the last deadline of 18 months for the entire project (see messages above in this Topic).
One of the very best sightseeing, photo-taking (see below) and people-spotting points on Main Street will be used for the construction of the outflow of the drainage channel they're building right now from the Yung Shue Long valley to the beach. The notice was put up just before CNY, Feb 14, leaving only the usual 14 days for any objections from residents, till next Wednesday.
Here's the notice & map with all contact details for more info and objections.
http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/YSL-canal/Map-3-years-4907-wp.jpg
If you live in Tai Peng or Yung Shue Long, expect major inconveniences for the next 3 years, as they'll be raising the road in all the red areas on the map. Anything planted along the roads will be dug under without compensation (except it's on private land and has been there for years.) _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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Norseman over 200 messages posted


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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Lamma-Gung wrote: | | ....between Green Cottage and the Beer Garden |
I'd hardly call that spot in front of the Deliverance Shop a beer garden! The only peple you ever see there are the inbred fishermen. _________________ Beware the fury of a patient man |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

Joined: 05 Sep 2002 Posts: 2990 Location: Tai Wan Kau Tsuen
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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It's rather grotty, but it's the only patch of beachfront left in YSW. After three years as a work site it'll be totally fucked. And most likely it will take five years.
They already occupy a large area behind the Lung Wah, and have an office and yard on the reclamation. Seems they're determined to spend the maximum amount of time and money while destroying the last vestiges of nature in the village.
I really do think that occasionally cleaning up the crap people dump in the channel would have been more cost-effective and less disruptive. But cost-effective is never an issue, the bigger the pork barrel the better for our local government. |
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Nancy over 300 messages posted


Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 302 Location: A drainage ditch near you
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Do we assume the stream is of little ecological value simply because it is in a village area? I suspect we probably don't even know what species occur there. Six of Hong Kong's 24 native amphibian species occur in the Yung Shue Long area, including the protected Romer's treefrog, which I have heard in the farm area down toward the rubbish bins. Probably not all of the species are using that section of stream, but 150 m of concrete this year my lead to another 150 m later with the same justification.
Another thing to consider is that these concrete channels are death traps for smaller animals, like amphibians or small mammals, that fall into them, can't get out, and receive a swift ride to the sea. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| nkarraker wrote: | | Another thing to consider is that these concrete channels are death traps for smaller animals, like amphibians or small mammals, that fall into them, can't get out, and receive a swift ride to the sea. |
Small mammals, like puppies, kittens, children? |
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Nancy over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, those too.  |
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samx

Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 73 Location: Sydney,Oz
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Using the beach as a construction site will only lead to HUGE bottlenecks of people heading to and from the ferry -- surely they know this... And knowing this, perhaps its not intended as just a construction site forever? It would be a tremendous ashame if this spot -- while admittedly not the best beauty point -- ended up as a massive concrete culvert. |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at the construction works so far, here's a picture, shot in Aug 2004, from the back of the shop at the channel, to the left of Jackson's.
Click on the photo above for more photos of this formerly beautiful area full of butterflies and dragonflies, just behind Lung Wah Rest., all destroyed now by the construction of the drainage channel in progress...
And here's the same angle from a few days ago. It's too late for this area, but do we want the beach outside Green Cottage look the same soon, for up to three years? _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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Nancy over 300 messages posted


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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Those before and after photos speak a thousand words. |
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Tavis Environmental Forum Co-moderator

Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 497 Location: Tai Peng
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| nkarraker wrote: | | Do we assume the stream is of little ecological value simply because it is in a village area? |
I think a lot of people on Lamma appreciate streams like this as being of a great deal more importance than simply place for water to run.
But I think the mindset that reduces streams to concrete pipes simply does not. When they see a stream, they see a place where water runs - must run and from which floods may come. Through their concrete-gray-tinges glasses they look at a stream and they see an open pipe, which to them, can only be improved or 'perfected' even, by completely enclosing it in cement. I'm sure these sorts of people (town planners with an older or more 'conservative' mindset) probably genuinely beleive they are improving the community.
In order to change that mindset perhaps more education is needed. There's a group in HK that, while their activities are now on hiatus, has been invovlved in educating the governement and public on the ecological value of healthy shorelines (SOS - Save Our Shorelines http://www.saveourshorelines.bizland.com/index.html ). I understand they had some degree of success by finding ways to work with govt. officials, acknowledging their adgendas, while finding ways to generate alternative solutions with lessened environemental impact rather than only fighting against govt. supported plans. Perhaps we need to take a similar approach with Lamma streams and educate govt. officials (both local and at the planning level) as well as our fellow Lammaites of all the values of an open stream course. (They will say it's too late - but it's never too late - in other cities in the world old streams that had been similarly buried are being dug out and recovered as open streams)).
Aesthetics - This stream is beautiful and imagine if, instead of being imprisoned in a concrete tunnel, it meandered through the town before flowing out into the bay. There's lots of vacant land around it - there would be a lovely place for a park with benches and a beautiful walkway. The aesthetics of Yung Shue Wan coluld be enhanced dramatically.
Pollution - Open healthy riparian areas play a vital role in filtering pollution and wastes of all sorts from runoff water. Without this active biologicall filter more pollution will flow directly into Banyan Bay. | Quote: | | Riparian areas are important in mitigating or controlling nonpoint source pollution. Riparian vegetation can be effective in removing excess nutrients and sediment from surface runoff and shallow ground water and in shading streams to optimize light and temperature conditions for aquatic plants and animals. Riparian vegetation, especially trees, is also effective in stabilizing streambanks and slowing flood flows, resulting in reduced downstream flood peaks. |
- from http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/TECHNICAL/land/pubs/wp13text.html
Ecology - Riparian areas (the area immediately adjacent flowing stream courses is very significant ecologically because it provides an ecosystem where species that require more constant moisture can grow. I'm not a biologist, but I think there is greater speciation and richness not only in vegetation, but also in insect life, and larger vertabrates like birds, amphibians and reptiles within healthy riparian areas.
Business - considering the above points - healthy open streams are going to be good for businesses in Yung Shue Wan. The more healthier and more beautiful the Lamma environemnt becomes, the more people will be willing to come and spend money here in the local shops and restaurants. Added attraction for Yung Shue Wan is important as it will attract more tourists to stay in the town a while instead of just marching through on their way to Hung Shing Yeh and beyond. _________________ Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
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F-X over 100 messages posted

Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 162 Location: Lamma mid-levels
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| nkarraker wrote: | | Those before and after photos speak a thousand words. | It is just so awful, so ugly, so destructive, so horribly backwards. There appear to be quite a number of very knowledgeable people on Lamma the government could have consulted before engaging in this unnecessary destruction of the village habitat, but they chose to do so only after the decision had been made. It was clearly just a PR exercise. Nothing would have changed their minds short of a massive Star Ferry type protest.
But public attitudes towards conservation in HK are changing, and I don't think they'll be able to get away with this sort of destruction of the environment like they have been. It's nice to give underworked government engineers and contractors some work to do, but not if it involves this kind of abuse. |
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Marc Antony over 400 messages posted


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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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There is a disturbing lack of connectivity with or appreciation of nature which seems to have become embedded in the local culture. And when I say 'local' I don't mean Lamma. This attitude dictates that nature should be controlled (see for example the Three Gorges Dam and the new series of dams about to be constructed in China's Yunnan Province) - even better if there are a few jobs for the boys in the process.
Our little stream in YSW is just another example of this mindset. City kids in HK run screaming from birds and insects as if their lives were threatened. Residents in Stanley recently rejected a tree-planting scheme because they thought it would bring birds and mosquitos. (Duh!) Serious education is necessary to get these people to understand and appreciate nature. And of course they won't succeed in controlling nature anyway - just wait and see what Mother has in store for us over the coming years!! _________________ Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. |
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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, at least I posted an objection.
| Quote: | District Lands Officer/Islands
19F Harbour Bldg
38 Pier Rd Central
Ref (81) in DLO/IS O4/CRN/1997/B/L/M
Temporary Land Allocation
Dear Sirs,
Regarding your notice as above, I wish to object to the proposed allocation of land on the beach by the outlet of Yung Shue Long drain.
Your notice does not explain the use, but I can only speculate that you will build some structure there, or use it as a landing point for bulk building materials.
In any case, the beach must be degraded, and I believe permanently so considering the results of similar works elsewhere, by foundations, spilled gravel, concrete, oil, etc.
Though not a site of great natural beauty, it is the ONLY remaining beachfront in Yung Shue Wan. A construction site there for three years at least will be a great detriment to the surroundings and a nuisance to residents, being adjacent to the one and only street in the village.
The Drainage Department already has the use of large sites for this project, behind the Lung Wah Restaurant and on the new reclamation. Also, there are several piers and wharfs available nearby if a landing point is required, which would be preferable to building yet another temporary structure, which is liable to become permanent.
I also find it somewhat sneaky to post your notice just before Chinese New Year, which makes it unlikely for many people to see your notice and have time to respond.
Sincerely |
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F-X over 100 messages posted

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Alan Discussions Forum Moderator

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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well, post is more formal, and if you get it postmarked today it should be okay.
Make sure you cite: Ref (81) in DLO/IS O4/CRN/1997/B/L/M
The general address for District Lands Officer/Islands is
gendlois@landsd.gov.hk They will probably accept objections via that; they will reply in any case. |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

Joined: 01 Aug 2002 Posts: 5631 Location: Yung Shue Wan
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Lamma-zine story published, better late than never.
Here's my own, quick objection letter. Not my finest writing, but it should be good enough. Thanks for the inspiration and push to action, Alan! Any feedback will be published in extracts in this forum as well, of course.
| Lamma-Gung wrote: | To: District Lands Officer/Islands
19/F Harbour Building
38 Pier Road, Central
Hong Kong SAR
Ref (81) in DLO/IS O4/CRN/1997/B/L/M
Objection to Temporary Land Allocation
Dear Sirs,
I want to object to the proposed land allocation at the Yung Shue Wan beach for the outlet of Yung Shue Long drainage channel in progress. The deadline for objection, according to your posted notice above, is today, Feb 28.
I run the local daily Lamma “newspaper” and discussion forums, all online at Lamma.com.hk, and construction projects like this have been discussed for years and I have written about them in the Lamma-zine magazine:
http://www.lamma.com.hk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1403&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=98
I do not object to most of this Temporary Land Allocation, just the beach part of it. It would destroy the last remaining visible sandy beachfront in all of Yung Shue Wan. All other sandy beaches have been eradicated by constructions and this last stretch would surely be massively degraded permanently by construction, oil, concrete, gravel and other permanent waste.
The construction and land allocation is gazetted as taking three years. This is one of the most popular sightseeing spots in all of Yung Shue Wan where all the tourists are passing by and are frequently taking many photos in exactly this spot, showing the sandy beach, the entire harbour, ferry pier and the sunset. People sit outside just above this beach in several restaurants, enjoying the view, having a drink, taking pictures of the unique and beautiful view. Obstructing this major sightseeing spot by construction for three years is too high a price to pay for this drainage channel. This beach obstruction would be a great nuisance to residents, most of them, like myself, walk past this spot on Main Street every single day, the only major street in the village.
The Drainage Department is already using several large areas for this project, behind the Lung Wah Restaurant and inside the new reclamation. There are several very close piers and jetties available if the construction needs a sea landing point. The other areas in this temporary land allocation are not on Main Street and not on the tourist route, so out of sight for most people. There’s no overwhelming need to obstruct this sandy beach for three years and most likely damage it forever. There’s an alternative:
The area next to the outflow to the drainage channel, on the other side of it, very close to the sewage disposal/collection has been used for other construction projects before and would be far less obstructive and better accepted by the population and tourists than using the last accessible, visible sandy beach in Yung Shue Wan.
This email has also been sent as a formal letter, postmarked today, as we have been told in the past that email objections won’t be accepted. Is this true? |
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Greenman

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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: Land Allocation |
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I phoned the person listed on the notice Mr Shiu who claimed to know very little about the project and referred me to the engineering section, I'm still waiting for them to get back to me. I also sent an email objection pointing out that the drainage work being conducted by the drainage dept is scheduled for completion in early 2008, so why the need for a three year allocation of land?
see this link for updates on the drainage project:
http://www.dsd.gov.hk/our_projects/our_project_district/index_UID_959006.htm _________________ "There are old knights and there are bold knights but there are no old bold knights" |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Here's quite a bit more info on the project, from an email doing the rounds around Lamma right now. I got it twice in a few minutes...
Dear Friends,
The lands department have proposed, and it seems passed, a motion to repair the drainage system in Po Wah Yuen / Yung Shue Wan. Whilst this would have benefit to the community - the proposed work would involve knocking down the bridge outside the bakery, taking up the pathways either side of the bridge, building a temporary bridge and making a building site of the beach right infront of the Green Cottage.
The estimated duration of the work is THREE YEARS!
No one in the community seems to know any more about this project. Signs went up about it over CNY and are characteristically scant in detail. Ron from the GC has already lodged a letter of complaint (sitting at the GC during the development would be no pleasure!) but it now requires a large community effort to get this thing stopped or at least re-shaped into something that repects our village life.
The official deadline for lodging complaints is today - Wednesday 28th February!!!
So PLEASE TAKE ACTION NOW!!!
Send a brief letter of complaint via email or fax to:
Mr Shiu Wai-ming
Lands District Officer, Islands
gendlois@landsd.gov.hk
Fax No. : 2850 5104
Copy and paste these reference numbers into the letter: DLO/IS 38/OP/ADM Pt.14, DLO/IS 04/CRN/1997/B/LM
Alternatively you could call him personally on 2852 4218 and give him a piece of your mind!
And please email everyone else you know on Lamma and ask them to do the same. This really is urgent.
Thanks for your help.
Lamma People Power! _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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Lamma-Gung Site Admin, Webmaster, Lamma-zine Editor

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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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The letter mentions that nobody knows anything about this project.
Well, except anybody who reads these forums or the Lamma-zine at least occasionally. This project has been going on for years and this forum has been running since June 2004 and there was another forum about the same project before that. The construction on the drainage channel has been in progress for over a year and is now reaching the final stage at the outflow into the harbour.
The details about the bridge are new, but no surprise. As this is just the last stage of the almost completed drainage channel from the Yung Shue Long valley there's probably not much we can do about the actual channel construction and the bridge. Except saving the beach that's only used as a temporary work site but would be destroyed in the process, most likely! _________________ Click here for new Lamma-zine stories and recent Photos of the Day and Artworks of the Day |
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