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Great. This should keep the lads busy until the harbour redevelopment extravaganza kicks off in 2014. I wonder what will happen after that? Peace and quiet at last?

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It will be inconvenient for a while, but surely an improved sewerage system is a good thing for the island?


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Yes a decent sewage system is a good thing. I'm just having a moan about the noise and mess, and the fact that there always seems to be another big project following on from the previous one - which applies to the whole of HK, not just Lamma. It's a big concrete mixer and it never stops.

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I think it would be may be a good idea to suggest the district authorities to impose by regulation and introduce (by e.g. incentive scheme to the owners; looks like the Govt. really loks the ways to spend the money – e.g. recent Lo Tik Wan shelter) some quieter VV’s on Lamma. The existing ones are particularly noisy. I can imagine all the deliveries to so many construction sites on the Sewerage Phase 2 project may be a really a nuisance. It could be also imposed on the Contractors to use some selected model. The Fire Brigade uses much better vehicles.


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Just wondering, where does the poo go right now? I see that my house is on the pink line, but I bet I have sewerage already.


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Anton wrote:
Just wondering, where does the poo go right now? I see that my house is on the pink line, but I bet I have sewerage already.


Into a septic tank next to your house.
You should notice large round iron manhole covers by your house. That's what they are.

The sewage is digested by bacteria and seeps into the soil.
Every few years you have to clean out the sludge remaining.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septic_tank


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Public consultation tomorrow, Sat, June 11, 10am in the Primary School.

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It does not affect me directly as I am not an owner. Still, it is interesting, the Q1 and A1. The question is may be not precise and the answer is just stating general advantage of sewer. Is connection of the house to sewer a must enforced by law once the sewer is provided by the Govt.? Just wondering if the owners driven purely by caring of environment will spend money on the connection?


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Is connection of the house to sewer a must enforced by law?


They don't mention it, but the government will eventually force everybody to connect. It will take years, with all the ownership issues and it will be a nightmare for some blocks where owners are uncontactable.

But if you share a structure with other people, you have to deal with such problems eventually.

There are benefits: septic tanks require cleaning every few years and can leak and overflow, which is very unpleasant.


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Yes, you'll be forced by law to connect, at your own cost, no exceptions.

That was the most contentious and hotly debated point in Sat's public forum, obviously. The sewerage pipes will be laid up to the edge of your building and you'll be forced by law and chased by EPD to get a contractor to put in a manhole and connect your building to the public pipe, all at your own cost and you'll have to deal with the contractor and other owners, up to 6 different ones per Village House, not even mentioning co-ownerships of some flats, sharing the costs of the house's connection. The EPD will have to deal with all cases individually and there are many ways of delaying and even getting public assistance for owners not able to afford these substantial costs, estimated at up to $50,000/Village House.

Looking at other islands' example, there'll be law suits for years to come and many hold-outs refusing to connect for many reasons....

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not an easy one. Many owners live abroad, some people rent flats and use them sporadically, like once every 3 or 4 months as a holiday home. I have encountered all sort of problems dealing with owners in my house, one guy is very very old and totally deaf, i can't imagine how i will discuss the sewage connection issue with him! Also, the language barrier makes even small problems quite difficult to solve, as we need an interpreter just to say "please sweep the staircase, put the trash in the bin because piling rubbish bags outside the door attract pests".

When we need to empty the septic tank only 3 owners pay for it...the others are nowhere to be found. Nobody knows their phone number. Some owners might have even died abroad and nobody knows how to contact the family. I am not looking forward to the compulsory connection nightmare!


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AECOM, the consultants for Phase 2 of the YSW Sewerage Works, have just emailed me an English version of their presentation, translated on our request at the Sewerage meeting in the N. Lamma Primary School on June 11. Short, informative, with lots of visuals.
Have a look as this will affect almost every building in North Lamma:

Public Consultation Forum - English

Public Consultation Forum - Chinese

Lamma-zine story about this Public Consultation Forum

AECOM would like to clarify these points:

(1) AECOM is commissioned by the Drainage Services Department as the consultant to undertake investigation, design and construction supervision of the Phase 2 Sewerage project, while the contractor for Phase 2 construction works has not been engaged.

(2) For the project implementation schedule, Phase 2 is currently under detailed design and public consultation. Construction of Phase 2 works is scheduled to commence in late 2012 / early 2013 and anticipated for completion in 2017.

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YSW SewageTreatment Plant - latest Artist's Impression, after some feedback from Living Lamma and other concerned Lamma community members. I've made it into a Day/Night flip-animation:

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Scott/Wilson writes:

"As discussed and agreed at our last meeting, we have subsequently revised the day time view of the future treatment works to include more plantation on the building roofs and green panel along the front gate to match with those panels facing the sea.... Upon the maturing of the plantation on the roof, it would be closely matching with the green slope at the back, when viewing from afar.

"For the night view, we have carried out a few trials and finally come up with a dim lighting view, which again as per our discussion at the earlier meeting, is a compromising choice to avoid strong lightings which would just be energy wasting and causing glaring effect to local residents, but also sufficient to alert the locals and mooring/sailing vessels nearby.

"I hope you find the revised slides of significant improvement and acceptable from the local residents' point of view."

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Where does the poo go? This looks like a HOS project.

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The poo will be treated underground before being piped out to the sea once its been purified (sorta).

The above ground building section in the picture is designed to resemble village housing rather than looking like a factory building on the sea shore. Except for the office section, which is planned for the first block, the windows you see are actually false. A bit Disney-esqe if you ask me. But you have to give it to them, they are trying to make it look less intrusive although clearly it would have been less intrusive if it was somewhere else! :)


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Every few years you have to clean out the sludge remaining.


Where do they put the sludge after that? To the landfill?


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If you're a property owner you should have a deed of Mutual Covenant if you're in a shared block. These usually have an arbitration clause that can be used to resolve matters with fellow owners, the judgement will be legally binding.

If any property owners have a problem with their fellow owners this may focus the attention and get things done.

After all why are we putting up with years of disruption if in the end we don't get the benefit.


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These redundant subterranean cess pits could be converted into something else, like a wine cellar or air raid shelter


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