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Author:  Alan [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:55 pm ]
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Tigger wrote:
On a good note... they most probably wouldn't drill the holes on Sundays :-)


It's Fridays you have to be careful of.

Author:  bc [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:23 am ]
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It seems to me that, despite posting the original question, as a willingness to accept consensus, every comment or argument against is argued back against with what appear to be pre-prepared (and I might add, long-winded) answers, and the proposal has been 'justified' in your own mind from the beginning. So I'm not sure what this little exercise was/is about - you appear to be unwilling to accept the majority consensus of 'No thanks' no matter how it is put to you.

Author:  Alan [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:52 am ]
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bc wrote:
you appear to be unwilling to accept the majority consensus of 'No thanks' no matter how it is put to you.


While I don't think it's a good idea, he has no obligation to accept the opinions of a half dozen people who posted here as representative or authoritative.Though it should indicate it's not going to be universally popular.

Author:  brucelee [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:32 am ]
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My Muslim friends are excited by this great cross idea and want to erect a 3 metre tall Islamic 'star and crescent' made of stainless steel overlooking the Y.S.W. ferry pier.
May peace be with you!

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  My apologizes

Anyways, I spazed out at you all. I'm sorry. (non sarcasm genuine). But you're right, we need as many trees here, and planting man made stuff taking up space when we need to keep clearings and stuff open for the yearly Lamma Forest is necessary.

And After puking and seeing stars (I'm a wimp), taking my cousin out to the Lamma Windmill, In the heat of a July... I like had heat stroke, so like putting this thing up there is a badddd idea. However, a alternative if you guys don't mind, like Tin Hau, and the Dragon Boat dragon dances. BTW which are very cool. And the dead festival... also very very cool. Maybe we can put a cross up non intrusively as before, but only on Easter.

I don't speak for the church, ultimatly it's their decision. I'm not baptised. I just go there. So I'm an outsider. Anyways, please don't think negatively for something rash and crass I may have said. If I stepped on some toes here I'm sorry. It's a really hell of way to be new to Lamma so I apologize. They're not like me, they're very nice actually.

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:33 pm ]
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[quote="Tigger"][/quote] That's cool, but guys please don't say we're cramming religion down peoples' throats,

Is this the same group that has the church in Sha Po Old Village?

>>> Yea, we're that Cannan Joshua church.
I




f so.... you ARE cramming religion down people's throats!!

I have two friends who are neighbours nearby, and they have made many complaints to 'this church' ... as Sundays are very busy, the lights are very bright at night, and it's constant noise all day with singing 'Praise the Lord' kind of songs and noisy socialising.

>>> I'll let the pastor know, about the singing and the lights. There's sadly no place for us to go though, because it's a "tent church". But I agree, sometimes the choir lady, will want us to sing higher and higher. so that even ALLLLLLLL THOOOOSEEE EIN SHAAAAATINNNNN, can hear it. (as she said in Chinese one time).

I find that about Lamma, lots of partying lots of children, and people calling out to each other, and blasting the stereo.... and who can forget all the ravers going "wooooooooooooooo" (those arn't dogs as I initially thought)... I find this very strange in a wonderful way. But I can't really scream out at the youngsters who have the BBQ party, to keep it down. even until around 12, right now they got the music ON.

I'm curious though why sarcastically refer to the church as "this church"? And would curtains block help block out the light? (non sarcastic geniune). That's the thing about Yeung Shu Wan, since you know better than I, as you actually live here. I'm just an outsider, that things are squishy here, like things are compressed. Back home, you got this HUGGE tuff of lawn as a buffer between houses, and "praise the Lord" music is usually damped by thick brick walls. You know the type. such as that big grey anglican one by the US embassy. Or the Lady or Lourdes on a hill far far far away from everything, (big thick forests to buffer the music), but all we got are like thin pieces of cloth. But you're right, the enthusiasm sometimes, we get carried away. But how else we are to enjoy the Lord, our religion states that once we've been found by God, or once we find God, we feel joy. When we die we go to heaven (a place to be loved eternity), our faults and short comings are forgiven, our tears are wiped away, and those who cry now shall laugh with estatic joy. It's greater than winning the Jockey Lottery, hell it's greater than the Palace of the Shiek of UAE (I saw a really wacky email photo montage of his palace bed room, and etc). A mentor of mine who suffered from many NDEs and was shown her heaven, said that it the richest house on Earth is dirt compared to the things she saw. It's like even greater than those funky mansions on the Peak! It's like been given an inheritance from some rich relative you never had. It's like that movie when Richard Pryor had to spend 30 Million in a month, to earn 600 Million (except in this case, there are no strings attached). But more importantly, it's a place where once can experience geniune love. (happy feelings). And it's a place where the last shall be first and the first shall be last. All those homeless that are pushed around, forgotten who play music at the IFC Central terminal with one eye, the mentally ill, kitties and doggies on Lamma, who are abused, people really hurting out there. Hell, this brute who pushed down and hobbling old man on Lamma one time infront of the Bayan bar (beside the bayan house, run by an Aussie couple), and the beat up his son for no reason. Well granted the son said some "fighting words", but was very dumb to a drunk boor, in a sucidal kind of way. But neverless, it's the downtrodden like this who will be liberated.

Now say hypothetically, God doesn't exist, or Christianity doesn't exist, and YOU were suddenly given these wonderful things, (regardless of religion). What would YOU say? What do YOU say when you get a raise at work, get a Christmas bonus? Do you not react in a happy super fun way? lol please be honest? If you went to Macau, and pulled the right handle, (not sure if they have slots in Macau, never been actually. I'll asume they have), it goes ding ding ding ding ding, and shoots out quarters or what ever it shoots out. Or you just keep on winning those huge square shaped chips over and over and over and over again. (that have some huge denomination on them), wouldn't YOU be making strange loud sounds of joy too? jumping up and down?

so in this case, Christians faith we know it's not a gamble, we know that our fortune in heaven is greater than anything Macau can offer. We KNOW that our homes are grander than anything on the Peak, the Marina Barque, but more importantly, these wonderful luxuries are not what we go there for, but to know love. So again how can we not make strange sounds of joy too? except in our case these gains don't end at death, unlike the Macaunese winnings do. :) so we're very very very happy and make happy sounds.

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:35 pm ]
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bc wrote:
It seems to me that, despite posting the original question, as a willingness to accept consensus, every comment or argument against is argued back against with what appear to be pre-prepared (and I might add, long-winded) answers, and the proposal has been 'justified' in your own mind from the beginning. So I'm not sure what this little exercise was/is about - you appear to be unwilling to accept the majority consensus of 'No thanks' no matter how it is put to you.


>>> Senior Burns we are all Amigos here. -Fidel Castro to Mr Burns from Simpsons regarding a Trillion dollar bill.

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:37 pm ]
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brucelee wrote:
My Muslim friends are excited by this great cross idea and want to erect a 3 metre tall Islamic 'star and crescent' made of stainless steel overlooking the Y.S.W. ferry pier.
May peace be with you!


>>> they should. They have the right to.... Please keep us informed, But perhaps Stainless steel might not be a good material, as it might not rust on the inside,but the outside, and they have to send a guy to clean it. If they use like super glass or super plastic then maybe less rust? Don't use wood. I sanded a cross and varnished it. Man are these Lamma heat crule to it, :_(....

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:39 pm ]
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Tigger wrote:
Vanoclamma...... PHEW!!!!!!!!


Lighten up mate... you are coming across as a fundamentalist.... and that's different.

And it's so bloody boring!!


>>> Come on Bro, I don't call you boring....
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Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:43 pm ]
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kilothern wrote:
To be honest... the last time a someone put a 'big cross' on a' barren hill' someone got hurt.... I'll support the idea if lamma residents can use it for purposes first intended.



>>> Actually, I agree this is a really BADDD idea. Like in 10 years the darn thing will look pretty gross with mold or something. It's very humid and gooey here. Some kids might decide to climb it for fun at night, a storm blows if over and it falls on something. And Bruce Lee was right, it is better to plant trees, Like that Lamma Forest Idea.

Speaking of trees, is it just me or does anyone else think they look like Brocoli when you take the ferries in, or heh heh heh, Weed?

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:31 pm ]
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Alan wrote:
Tigger wrote:
On a good note... they most probably wouldn't drill the holes on Sundays :-)


It's Fridays you have to be careful of.


Isn't that a song by a silly girl?

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:43 pm ]
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bc wrote:
'No thanks' no matter how it is put to you.


Funny you should mention "No, no thanks" Because the only person who said something along this lines said " Please don't do this". everyone else said, keep your religion to yourself, stop cramming religion down our throats, I escaped the States to get away from guys like you, one even claimed I was a fundamentalist without even meeting me in person.

When I simply pointed out, that this was rude, that this is a democratic society and I'm blah blah blah. Then you guys got defensive, when I pushed back. Like I mentioned before, a simple "No thanks" or "why not just plant more trees instead" or Alan mentioning a alternative or was it Lamma Gung, of just coming out on Easter (which is a EXCELLENT idea), like it could even be a special tradition in the church to come out parade up and down the streets once or twice during the holy week, then put the cross back in storage. Certainly be cost effective too. Like ok to put up a cross we have to get huge cements which then you truck up many times. That wastes gas and dirties the air, then we find some trees or a clearing then we make a path (again more materials moving), laying the stone down, paying the workers, no room for trees which beautifies God's planet in the first place. his animals (also creations), have no homes and shit. So already that screwes up the enviroment. So Bruce Lee makes an awesome point. And I forgot his name but he posts that he lives beside 3 crosses which freak him out, and the purpose of Christianity is to bring comfort to those who are hurting, not inspire hurt. In making the cross we fail in our mission.

so I agree no we shouldn't make the cross. Plus your folks VERY strong reactions. Anyways, I'm sorry for offending people.

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:46 pm ]
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brucelee wrote:
My Muslim friends are excited by this great cross idea and want to erect a 3 metre tall Islamic 'star and crescent' made of stainless steel overlooking the Y.S.W. ferry pier.
May peace be with you!


>>> Say I'm curious do Muslims have a Mosque on Lamma? or a Masalla (a small prayer study room, if the group is to small for Mosque).

Author:  Lamma-Gung [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:42 am ]
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Seeing many Muslim Indonesian domestic helpers on weekends on the ferry out, dressed in their beautiful dresses and head scarves, it seems that there's no mosque or place of worship here?

Sun, Aug 7, the Bahá'í Faith, a major, worldwide Muslim subdivision (prosecuted in Iran) was trying to attract people interested via public talks after meeting in the Football Pitch first: "Uncover Your Spiritual Self" by the Ruhi Institute, which is promoting the Bahá'í Faith. So they might have an informal, little prayer room somewhere in Yung Shue Wan?

I almost went as it might make a good, interesting story. I'd love to learn more about the many different faiths, religions and spiritual practices practiced on Lamma and give them some publicity if they like, maybe even help them to find a few more followers. Contact me!

Author:  poilkoop [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:03 pm ]
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Can we have a giant Swastika for the Buddhists, too?

Author:  Vanoclamma [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:07 pm ]
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poilkoop wrote:
Can we have a giant Swastika for the Buddhists, too?


>>> I have no problems, but as with the cross, and Cresent moon, there are lots of dangers associated with this project ranging from bad fung shui placement, to enviromental degredation, and adversion to faiths.

I like Bruce Lee's idea, just plant trees instead, nobody gets hurt, they bring green air, work as a heat sink against the Co2 especially from the power plant, animals come back, increasing the Manna, and perhaps maybe even with more vegitation work against diseases and pandemics (I remember my teacher saying something like that in school). And with all this Cyberpunk mechanicals in Hong Kong, (which we need), It's always good to get a balance of organics, besides it's good for trees, and recreation.

Author:  tomodlin [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:48 pm ]
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I would like a giant FSM statue, a stripper factory and a beer volcano erected in honour of the one true god. And anyone who opposes me is a heretic.

Author:  islandcouple [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:08 pm ]
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If people want to invest their funds, time and effort into doing so then fine - anyone talking about 'I would do this' and 'I want that' is also free to do whatever they wish, given that it is with their own funds, time and effort.

Clearly this would mean the only people likely to do something is the ones that are serious and committed about what they want (those wanting religious symbols). The rest of you are just taking s*** and throwing in your two cents for the sake of it, you wouldn't actually make any effort, spend any time or commit any funds to doing anything, unless of course there was financial gain in it for you.

Author:  tomodlin [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:15 pm ]
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I absolutely would make the effort to stop someone erecting such a deplorable symbol on Lamma.

Author:  islandcouple [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:53 pm ]
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Why, for what reason?

Deplorable symbol? What about the many others symbols aforementioned on the Island? In Hong Kong? Anywhere?

Clearly not the disagreeing type, just disagreeable

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