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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:18 am 
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Jesus is everywhere!
advertise on-line, not with outdoor signs.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2452853/Mum-spots-amazing-image-of-Christ-in-her-Marmite-jar-as-she-makes-breakfast.html


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The photo just goes to show that Jesus is everywhere. The Devil is also lurking, so take care. The spirit of Hitler is alive and well in this house in Swansea. Visiotrs asking for directions to the "Hitler House" are told "Western Front, third on the Reich"


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Sneaky-O wrote:
Hope you do lots of good deeds in Haiti, etc, and pimp up lots of pig pens and derelict heaps of stones. Then if people ask you about what you do they will be interested, maybe even impressed. If you try to ram your good deeds and your faith down people's throats, it will likely be counter-productive.


>>> Actually I was looking at haiti house building just the other day actually. Definatly to do on my list. I'm still in college mode. Think that helping impoverished community helps humanity develop. Economy goes up, stability human talent pool grows (ie people are alive healthy, growing). You're right I shouldn't be so abrasive I'm sorry. The Joshua Church isn't like this. They're more of a come to us kind of group. And As a former Mormon, (I never did the door to door thing), That does get annoying when a JW shoves a watchtower in your face filled with images of burning and drowing people is freaky.


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The photo just goes to show that Jesus is everywhere. The Devil is also lurking, so take care. The spirit of Hitler is alive and well in this house in Swansea. Visiotrs asking for directions to the "Hitler House" are told "Western Front, third on the Reich"
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Is this the house he's born in? Or is it a house he's haunting?


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Vanoclamma I think it should not be a problem during Easter and other religious festivals but not sure I would want some blummin great cross looming over the island.

yes there are other religious symbols around hong kong - it is a multicultural place, but please do not try to act as though we would be opressing your right to freedom of worship by not wanting you to put up some great big cross, as thats not the case - worship away - you will find no problem doing that - but as people said you should also respect the fact that some people might not want your religious icons put up on the island.

You mention the opera house and the noise generated from that - please remember that that is here for two weeks a year

>>> On PUBLIC TAX PAYER PROPERTY, and I'm not against the Tin Hau Fest, it's excellent it's what makes Lamma magical.


- it sounds as though you want your cross to be permanent - that is a different matter altogether.

>>> On Private property though.



I am sure no one would mind an easter or christmas parade or festival and would respect your wishes to do something like that for the same reason people dont mind the opera and lion dances etc.

Freedom of speech and worship is completely fine and no one would want to stop you from being able to worship your god and preach to people if you so desired - but please dont try and act as though your religious rights are being infringed because people dont want you to erect a giant cross on the island.

>>> on private property?


How would not erecting one affect your freedom to worship ? are you unable to worship now without one ? I think not .


>>> No but it's a piece of art work on Private property though. On this note, how is looking at a cross 24/7 affecting how you Lammanate? Can you still go to the beach, can you still hike, enjoy the birds and stuff? And does looking at a cross necessary compel you to join Christianity? no, like what about the Giant Catherdral by the Tram (Forgot it's name), Why would we have to shy away in our expression? I have no problems with a Shik Temple, or a moslem mosque's minarets, or a Buddhist temple, or the Tin Hau temple by the Soccer pitch. If anything this what makes Lamma Cool.

And no, you're not affecting our freedom to worship one bit. But affecting our right to EXPRESS. FREE SPEECH lol. But like I said, Joshua Cannite, church employs a you come to us, approach, vs a screaming bunch of teenagers chanting "I love Jesus how about you?"

But anyways, if people don't want the artifact up then that's cool. just don't say we're Forcing religion on anybody, no, we're just putting up a structure, stating we're here, It's just as the IFC tower or those towers on Gloushire. And no we're not saying you HAVE to join because of that, we're just doing our own thing. Which heh is allowed as Free speech and expression. lol.


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dunrovin wrote:
On the theme of religious icons, it has not passed my notice that nearly all the restaurants on the island are proselytising support for a separate dangerous cult.
In nearly every restaurant do they not offer worship to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Everywhere I see pastafarians worshipping at bowls of noodles, spaghetti and even lasagne.
If they want us to convert I say thay should be open about it and have a giant bowl of spaghetti at the Ferry Pier where all can pay homage.
Bring on the Spaghetti


>>> Bring on the Beer Volcanos Dancing girls and pirate hats.


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 Post subject: Re: Cross
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brucelee wrote:
Better to plant more trees on hills and keep religion to yourselves.


>>> The real Bruce Lee, was a very open minded person, he would surly have opposed this statement. He taught Muslims he taught Christians, he taught everyone who came.


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Marc Antony wrote:
Vanoclamma wrote:
(on our own property)


Is it your property? If so, how much land has the Joshua Church bought and where are the boundaries?


>>> It's only in speculation mode right now, they're concentrating on developing the base, but they have been in conact with authorities to ask for permission.
also before coming to lama they also consulted with Lamanites about this and were pretty receptive.

But if people don't want it, then people don't want it (the cross), That's cool, but guys please don't say we're cramming religion down peoples' throats, if we were, we'd be running around with WatchTower mags acosting people off the ferry for donations, or giving out leaflets, and or protesting gay marches, and other ignorant BS like that. Don't lump us in with Fred Phelps (www. god hates (epitete), com We're not like that at all. We just want to reach out, and if you like the message then come. Like we protested social injustices that everyone can agree on, Human traficing. Is this not a good thing? we've reached out to hurting Lammanites within our congregation. And no we're not banging on your doors and bugging you guys in the streets are we? so don't claim that we're forcing religion, this is just an inanimate piece of artwork. That' central to our faith. Just as the Shrines in neighborhoods are in our faces. And that's awesome, because I regard that as just lovely artwork actually. Very unique,
(So I wonder why do you guy ignore parts of my rants where I'm 100% supportive of rival faiths, bringing colourfulness to Lamma to the world?). Do you guys only read what you want to read, skim over my posts, and chose what I say that supports your assumptions?

I'm 100% supportive of other religions, and their icons. Anywhere on this planet. And no a Muslim Mosque doesn't make me want to become muslim, just as I'm sure a Cross doesn't make you guys want to be Christian. This point that buddy makes, about having religion forced down his throat is moot.

No, those convictions come from your personal desire which is your own business, or lack of, again YOU choose to believe in what you want to believe or don't believe. The Church as an organization, is just a social association of like minded believers, it's a meet up group from meet up websites. And all the cross is just advertising. And I agree 100% fully with athiests posting Athiestic messages. The priviliges that give me the right to say what I want, exists for all people. Now if I said, something crazy to inspire Anti-homosexual pogroms, or anti Jewish, then no, and I wouldn't. Why would I want to inspire hate. I'd be an asshole to do that, and quite frankly Assholes are full of shit.

And more people adding their unique beliefs and perspectives only make cleaning up the world more easier.


There's enough hate in this world, we're all here in a New Ager sense to add coolness to the world. And heh posting up a cross on property we eventually legally aquire should be our own unique coolness.

Man this is sounding like something at the Philosophy Club meeting at the Bookworm cafe.

But anyways, it's cool that you guys are voicing your opinions. You're allowed this in civilized society. And this data is valuable. The cross may or may not go up, I wouldn't know, as most likely I'd have returned back to Calgary by then, living a pointless dull existance in suburbia. (I miss my folks back home lol). Or I might stay on Lamma who knows, only God knows lol. Or maybe aliens from the war of 2012 (a pun on war of 1812, between Canada and the States, a stalemate, They gained territory that we lost,ut since it's the warzone of Detroit, it's a pyhric victory lol), might zap us all, and none of this matters, as The Builderberg Illuminati (ie the Queen's family, and other cold blooded leaders, turn Earth into a frozen bayou methane swamp for their kind). Which by then it doesn't even matter all this petty bickering lol.


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 Post subject: Re: cross
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brucelee wrote:


>>> Same can go for the Athiests, but I support their right to post what ever they want with their own money. It's good makes more work for advertisers.


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If you erect a huge cross, then somebody else may want to erect another huge religious symbol and where do you draw the line? Would Satanists be allowed to worship too, in the name of religious freedom? Those who worship money would put up a huge neon dollar sign....The Lamma skyline would resemble Las Vegas!


>>> Satanism as LaVey's philosophy with upside down pentagrams, of course they should have the right to worship. Satanism as Chutulian Nog Sogoth baby sacrificers and an alter to Baal no (and these so called Satanic child rape-murder-snuff films), is just a scare tactic used by the right wingned alarmist. This never happened, but if it did then no it shouldn't be allowed, but prayer to Satan and signing pacts in blood in some clearing on Lamma Island I have no problems. It's their religion..... then it's their religion. (Did you honestly think you were going to get me on that one)?

Do you lump me in with the conservative right? especially when I've posted REPEADTILY here that I'm actually 100% for co-existance, especially with the idol worshipers? For those who worship money and putting up a neon Dollar sign, or a big statue of the God of Wealth. I'm sorry but yes, they should have this right, ON PRIVATE property.

(it'll be on hell of a power bill though), but that's just being silly. come on now, HSBC bankers or ICBC bankers posting up a big neon Sign. However..... What of the richies in Hollywood? and the big hollywood sign? Doesn't that block out the scenery? Yet it's an iconic landmark.

Yes where do we draw the line, what with all these houses being put up here on Lamma? and the Marina, bringing in people who bought the property legally. It's like this, what if you owned the land your home is on, or if you are a landlord, and someone said hey you, you can't build an apartment there a house, there...

But I'm curious, with such concern for natural nature and what not, do you guys also have similar objections to Buddhist temples that say, fill caverns with 1000 buddahs, and graffitti mountain sides with the "Buddah character"? or even Carve a nice natural beautiful natural mountain, with Buddah (like the ones the Taliban blew up)? like they carve Mount Rushmore with the Presidents, or they're carving the aborginal leader "Crazy horse"..... I'm perfectly ok with this. It's part of my culture. Neverless it's damaging nature.

What if some Buddhists decided to carve out a giant statue of Buddah on one of the rock faces, will they be subjected to equal opposition?


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The Hitler house (I can't see the photo any more for some reason) is supposed to look spookily like Hilter - see:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rting.html


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There are three crosses on a hill not far from where I live. I get the creeps every time I go past them. Please don't do this.

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Vanoclamma...... PHEW!!!!!!!!

Welcome to Lamma. We are a diverse community with a multitude of views regarding faith and how we choose to live our life, but ultimately (on the whole then,.) accepting of what others believe, even though it may not be the same as our own.

And we all get along regardless of our beliefs.

Lighten up mate... you are coming across as a fundamentalist.... and that's different.

And it's so bloody boring!!


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To be honest... the last time a someone put a 'big cross' on a' barren hill' someone got hurt.... I'll support the idea if lamma residents can use it for purposes first intended.


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 Post subject: Oh god no...
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Xerxes wrote:
Freedom of speech and worship is completely fine and no one would want to stop you from being able to worship your god and preach to people if you so desired - but please dont try and act as though your religious rights are being infringed because people dont want you to erect a giant cross on the island. How would not erecting one affect your freedom to worship ? are you unable to worship now without one ? I think not .


I couldn't agree more. It would make my stomach churn to see that every day looming up on a hill. One of the reasons I moved here (HK) from the states was to get away from religious people who feel it's their duty to "Spread the Word" and "save" humanity. I find organized religion overall offensive, but I realize I'm in the minority. People should have freedom to do and praise what they like, but not to shove it down other people's throats.
And if you think that a cross on a hill isn't doing that, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.


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[/quote] That's cool, but guys please don't say we're cramming religion down peoples' throats,

Is this the same group that has the church in Sha Po Old Village?

If so.... you ARE cramming religion down people's throats!!

I have two friends who are neighbours nearby, and they have made many complaints to 'this church' ... as Sundays are very busy, the lights are very bright at night, and it's constant noise all day with singing 'Praise the Lord' kind of songs and noisy socialising.

Respect your fellow man etc...... and yeh let them enjoy their Sunday's too!

As for festivals... yes, there are noisy festivals, and there are cultural temples, and even weekends were the 'Mah Jong' parties can keep you awake. But it's not in your face 24/7.

I respect everyone's faith. Whatever floats your boat... great!

But you need to have some consideration that people just don't want a giant cross stuck in their face every day.

The cross is an instrument of torture too remember. When I see giant crosses on a hillside it just reminds me of how many people have been killed and tortured over the centuries because they haven't agreed with christianity.

I study Traditional Chinese Medicine (as a hobby).... and years ago I would have been tied to the cross and burnt as a witch for this hobby.

So no...... some people just don't want this. you have asked a question, and you have had many answers.

Build yourself a little shrine :-)


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OK, this very interesting topic (hmm?) needs a few basic questions answered.

1) We must assume it will not be made of wood (those poor trees)
2) Not plastic (how dreadful to the environmental community).

So, will it be grown in some sort of hedgerow stuff, around bamboo supports?

In which case it might, Heaven forbid, get knocked down in the next typhoon?


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So, will it be grown in some sort of hedgerow stuff, around bamboo supports?


Of course not. Concrete is Lamma's religion.


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It's a sod to nail people up onto though


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soulkitchen wrote:
It's a sod to nail people up onto though


Hey... this is Lamma, so it would only take a lot of drilling and it wouid be a paid job, so not a problem for local contractors.

On a good note... they most probably wouldn't drill the holes on Sundays :-)


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