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Can we have a giant Swastika for the Buddhists, too?


Why not? The swastika is a symbol of peace, and was for many centuries before the Nazi use and subsequent stigmatization of it.

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The rest of you are just taking s*** and throwing in your two cents for the sake of it, you wouldn't actually make any effort, spend any time or commit any funds to doing anything, unless of course there was financial gain in it for you.


LOL

OK.. now that I've stopped laughing. Have you been on Lamma long?

I beg to differ. Yes,... many people on this forum just bitch for the hell of it (and I've had my moments too with various topics) . however, there are a LOT of people on this island who are happy to move their ass if they feel something is a tad too intrusive and/or affecting the quality of life for Lammaites,....and they do.

As a volunteer on the island with various groups, I am so impressed by people who spend their time and effort for 'NO PAY' to make this place a much nicer place to live. They make me feel a tad lazy due to their input.

And the original post wasn't about a person's freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I think we are all OK with that. It's about a giant cross built clearly in a location to be seen by all. (Bit like the clock at the pier..... although the clock does serve a function and it was asked for by a lot of Lamma residents.)

This is Hong Kong.... and this is Lamma with beautiful flaura and fauna. Why does the cross have to be so bloody huge, on a hill amongst nature and in basically in your face?

BTW... I also joined and 'voiced my opinion' for the 'Wanchai Bypass' project near the IFC and Lamma pier, where they are building a 5 storey 'eyesore' building which will block out a beautiful view) We pass the construction every morning. I disagreed with that too, and I moved my ass and added my two cents.

So you see,.. it's not personal and it has nothing to do with religion.


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islandcouple wrote:
poilkoop wrote:
Can we have a giant Swastika for the Buddhists, too?


Why not? The swastika is a symbol of peace, and was for many centuries before the Nazi use and subsequent stigmatization of it.


Although at first glance, the Buddhist Symbol of Peace and the Nazi Swastika look alike..... they point in opposite directions. Interesting I think.

On another interesting note, however trivial...

Hitler suffered from Ailurophobia (He was petrified of cats!)

Always knew cats had a sixth sense :-)


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Although at first glance, the Buddhist Symbol of Peace and the Nazi Swastika look alike..... they point in opposite directions.


No they don't.

Buddhist and Hindu temples use swastikas going both ways.

This was discussed a few years ago, see photos here:
http://www.lamma.com.hk/forum-OK/viewtopic.php?p=47128#47128


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Alan wrote:
I'd want to know exactly where, and how it would be built.
Anyway, I don't know anywhere on Lamma that is "barren" land.

We don't have any deserts here.

And then the Buddhists would want to build a Buddha.
The Hindus would want a Krishna.
The Muslims would want a crescent.



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Vanoclamma wrote:
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Better to plant more trees on hills and keep religion to yourselves.


>>> The real Bruce Lee, was a very open minded person, he would surly have opposed this statement. He taught Muslims he taught Christians, he taught everyone who came.


Felt the need to bring some more focus on this statement.


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islandcouple wrote:
Why, for what reason?

Deplorable symbol? What about the many others symbols aforementioned on the Island? In Hong Kong? Anywhere?

Clearly not the disagreeing type, just disagreeable


Yep, deplorable. I would have objected to the others too. Had I been here, or even alive. As is my right.

"Clearly not the disagreeing type, just disagreeable" - If you say so.


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Aye Caramba this topic died like 5 months ago. The new talk of town, is Disels', the elections, and the Dog Killer.

Anyways, the purpose was just a retorhical question, gahhhh. Put it this way, the "cross" is lost in development hell (movie term for when the script gets lots and never sees the light of day for a very long time), Just like the Baroque project. Even if it was approved. It won't be build for another many years, as the developers try and scornge money, plan the engineering for this. Especially with the economy in meltdown, would take about 15 years to calculate the logistics (by then hopefully we have ecotized the Island, to the point that Oh I don't know, the Green Turtles come back, wacky birds bees and butterflies and Frogs inhabit Lamma), like ther are just to many problems associated with this cross project.

And I have changed my stance many times to vote "no" on the project, now that I'm in eco mode (Trying to build a garden). For starters we'd have to be paying the workers, VV drivers and a bunch of other support staff lots of money. The church a church of like 20 people, doesn't have... Then it's probably like the Baroque project, painstakingly long 15 years or so to approve, get the land (hopefully D.W, gets in and enacts legislature to make such projects that alter the face of our home, full of red tape.

If there is one thing the Chinese really excell at is Red Tape. (However, IF a project is still scheduled again won't be another 25 years (Minimum), perhaps the old yucky Quarry on Sokuwan, is an appropriate place. Why not, you have foundations (the rocks), NO trees exist there, it's ALREADY owned by a Christian organization (the "y").

But like I said, after sweating this summer in the fly dirt. It's going to take alot of dough to even convince people to work on this project. Which the church doesn't have. It's only in it's second year, and like my gardening gurillia project as the Gungster points out. This is Gurillia church building, It's still concentrated on trying to be a good neighbor and improve the surrounding vacinity of Sha Po. For example my garden project. Like I bought those, using "Shoe" money. I don't even have a pair of nice shoes, they've all been eaten up by the gravel. lol. It's just me my rakes and ho, and saw.

See how the church operates. We take the pews out, we put the tent up, we take them down..... We assuredly rest assured that we are not in a position to even contemplate such a grand project... we also lack the physical means to do this. It's just ME (not a member of that church, I'm just a good neighbor. Ok I'm like that goofy sitcom character that annoying pops up and helps out. Like Urkle from Family Matters)...

There's the Engineering Chief. A, and his wife I. Who work in the day, and can't devote much energy to the development of the church. The main Pastor, is retired, and does 99.9% of the stuff, then there are hanger ons....So among the 3 or 4 if you count Mr L, who's not a member I don't think, like me just a helpy helper. The Cannan church is really understaffed.

So the "grand" growth is going to perhaps take place in 25 or so years. By then Bobby's Forest would have gained sentience by now, and grown arms and legs, and a connection to mother Gaia, and if we're going to chop them down, to put in a cross, then little seelings attack the church, like those Giant Tree people on Lord of the Rings.

But honest response: the cross project is as realistic as Mr C allowing me to dig up a fish pond in his yard. He said only small flowers. ONLY. lol..

Most likely the Baroque, the Cross, Me completing Mr C's garden, won't be completed, even with the collapse of the Communist Party of China, and o'r eventual sucession of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, and all other forms of "free China"......Actually I'm here in China now, wowie. things are starting to go all weird. I was there before Hong Kong as well, but now things are REALLY wacky. For starters there are spontaniously demonstrations here in Wenzhou.

Oh another reason why I like trees now..... because I can't breath. So much burning of garbage here in China..... so much you know.... So no to the cross. If still yes, then put in in the Quarry in Sokuwan, where trees can't go. and still people may see. But sigh, so much blocking of signs, nature here in China. So Garish. so yucky......


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Alan wrote:
Tigger wrote:
Although at first glance, the Buddhist Symbol of Peace and the Nazi Swastika look alike..... they point in opposite directions.


No they don't.

Buddhist and Hindu temples use swastikas going both ways.

This was discussed a few years ago, see photos here:
http://www.lamma.com.hk/forum-OK/viewtopic.php?p=47128#47128


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Vano!

What are you at, or where are you on?


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OK I stand corrected on the 'Swastika' symbol. As I have seen so many in various countries in Asia facing in an opposite direction, I thought that one was 'religious' and one was 'nazi'.

Thanks for the link.


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Tigger wrote:
OK I stand corrected on the 'Swastika' symbol. As I have seen so many in various countries in Asia facing in an opposite direction, I thought that one was 'religious' and one was 'nazi'.

Thanks for the link.

Since WWII, religious uses of the Swastika have indeed tended more anticlockwise (the Nazi version being clockwise). But older temples made no such distinction.


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Vano!

What are you at, or where are you on?


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I'm in Shanghai, for the time being, I switch modes back and forth. I'm in toxic avenger mode (American b-horror cult movie, about a person who is infected with toxic goo and mutates into an Orc who beats up criminals in terrible ways). For instance, I just came back from Pump City (Wenzhou), It's going to hurt like hell when get back at the Chow's garden. I go to pick up a rock, or move some trash or something, and my back hallows in, when I cough, and I implode into a universal black hole...

And we though Lamma's trash was bad. :_( :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Gaia's wraith is going to be really really not cool. Like this trash that goos up our beautiful shores, is actually what a NICE clean park would look like in a typical city NOT Shanghai. And I lived in Cangzhou, when I first came here. The birth place of the Iron Lion of Cangzhou, and Baje Martial arts.


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I don't mind the idea of a cross so much as come Easter the Archepelagosians will be nailing people to it.

Mind you there are probably a few Opus Dei members lurking in the background who might volunteer.

And even a few pagans who are that way inclined.

Come to think of it, two pagans are required for the supporting roles.


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