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"Looking for a flat on Lamma, budget not more than 25K HKD" - how often these days do you read this kind of posts here?

It is time to rise and act. Print out this sheet and stick it in as many places on Lamma Island as you can. Hopefully this can ease the pressure in the housing market.

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Nice poster!
But the Chinese can't show up in your link and Google-translated Chinese is usually a mess. So I formatted it into an English-only poster and posted it on the home page and on Facebook.

Talking to one more reporter about Lamma property yesterday, this poster makes a great info for people considering to move here; and it's all true, snake sightings starting up again now.

Watch out for next Monday's MONEY section in the SCMP, with interviews with numerous Lammaites, including property agent Jackson and people in this forum who were contacted by the Tiffany, the persistent junior reporter. She chased me via PM, email, Facebook and finally on the phone till I gave in and told her about Lamma's wildlife.

The UK Telegraph newspaper ran this big story on April 12:

Hippy oasis near Hong Kong is experiencing an influx of executives

A formerly sleepy backwater within reach by ferry of Hong Kong's financial centre is undergoing a radical transformation.

Lamma Island in Hong Kong is a breeding ground for endangered green turtles, which shy away from light and human noise. The island is attracting increasing floods of executives who have been priced out of the city and are drawn to the tranquil oasis.

A car-free hippy enclave off the coast of Hong Kong is experiencing an influx of executives looking to escape sky-high apartments and prices in the city.

Lamma Island, a 30-minute ferry ride from Central Hong Kong, has a reputation for alternative lifestyles and a relaxed attitude.

Cars are banned, the buildings are low-rise and the area has traditionally been a haven for artists and musicians.

However, it is becoming increasingly urbanised due to Hong high-fliers and executives flooding in – and property prices are rising as a result.

Hong Kong-based Simon Smith, head of research at Savills property agents, said: “A lot of people have been priced off Hong Kong Island and have started looking at alternatives such as Lamma, Sai Kung, and Clear Water Bay.”


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Hahaha, this poster has caused quite some feedback in the Lamma Snake Sightings Facebook group, for example:

"Add centipedes, the recent dengue outbreak, extremely high levels of co2 emissions by the power plant, half of the population under the influence of legal and illegal substances, a rat plague, dead bodies appearing every now and then, etc."

By the way, Anton, it would be nice and customary to ask the people shooting the photos before putting them on a poster.
Who took the first photo? 2nd photo credited to Ed Williams.

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Long-time Lamma residents feel pinch of rising rents

Long-time residents say an influx of professionals used to high rents is prompting landlords to up their stakes

Monday, 22 April, 2013 - by Tiffany Ap - tiffany.ap@scmp.com


Boxes surround Karen Carmen in her Sha Po village flat on Lamma Island. Faced with a rent increase from HK$18,000 to HK$23,000 a month, she has had to search for a new home. However, when she started scouting around at the property agencies, she was shocked by the prices.

"I found a place in a village I used to live in and less than two years ago, rent for a 700 sq ft apartment with a rooftop was HK$6,500 and now it asks HK$12,000. It's doubled in such a short amount of time," says Carmen.

Hayri Ozen has a similar tale of rent woes. He has been a Lamma resident for eight years and was running a kebab store off the main street of Yung Shue Wan, Lamma's main community. The rent for his 700 sq ft place rose from HK$4,000 to HK$12,000 over six years.

To solve the pressure of moving every two years when each lease ended, he bought a home but that did not make him completely immune. "Two weeks ago, my landlord increased the rent on my business by 100 per cent," Ozen says. "They don't care that I've been a good tenant for years."

Lamma Island, long a sanctuary from high-cost Hong Kong, is undergoing a radical rent rise. While most of the evidence is anecdotal and it is difficult to pinpoint hard data on the trend, residents describe a doubling of rent over the past four years. In the same timeframe, rents on private residences rose about 60 per cent in all of Hong Kong, according to the Rating and Valuation Department.

The rise is squeezing residents. "The people on Lamma are middle-class folk. We're not the overpaid bankers that can afford crazy rent [rises]," says Josh Sellers, a designer and branding consultant who has lived the past eight years on Lamma.

There are different theories on why Lamma is experiencing above-average rent rises.

The moderator of community website Lamma.com.hk who goes by the moniker of Lamma-Gung, says Lamma has been attracting higher-paid professionals from Hong Kong Island. The incoming residents are used to Hong Kong Island rents and are prepared to pay a lot more to live on Lamma, so the theory goes.

"People who cannot afford Hong Kong Island are driven out, so they're coming in here. They're used to even higher rents - HK$30,000 or HK$40,000 in Mid-Levels - so they think HK$20,000 is such a good deal. The property agents are all hooray, hooray! when local tenants have only been paying HK$10,000 to HK$15,000."

Lamma gentrification is nothing new. It has been going on since 1997, ever since British backpackers stopped getting automatic visas to work in Hong Kong.

What is new is Hong Kong's post-2008 financial services bust, combined with a low-interest-rate fuelled property bubble. This has squeezed a certain class of expatriate tenant off Hong Kong Island, and on to Lamma.

You could imagine the scenario. Someone working in financial services loses his job in 2008-09. Meanwhile, his Mid-Levels flat goes up in rent, as Hong Kong property prices have hit record levels. So he moves to Lamma, easily cutting his rent in half.

"After the [2008] crash, quite a few guys came over from Mid-Levels and said, 'What can I get for HK$25,000?' It was an exodus of sorts," says Nick Berriff, a Lamma-based designer.

Berriff owns his flat in Tai Yuen village and says the value of his property has tripled in the past decade, "with most of the leap in the past five years".

Also, as the type of expatriate resident on Lamma has become more professional, family-orientated and settled over the years, there has been an increased tendency for expatriates to buy their flats on this island, crimping supply for renters.

Jackson Ng Wah-fai, a property agent who owns many properties on Lamma, says he noticed more expatriates are choosing to buy their flats on the island, and then to buy a second or third property as an investment. "It's a Chinese idea that's caught on with foreigners," he says.

Lamma has also seen a gradual upgrading of its ferry service - the October 2012 ferry disaster that claimed 39 lives notwithstanding.

Over the years the commute to Central has been cut from about 40 minutes to 25 minutes. Last year, the ferry operator added a late-night (2.30am) service from Central to Lamma on weekends. The extra ferry addressed a longstanding gripe that Lamma residents could not go out on Friday or Saturday night without missing the last ferry back to Lamma, which for decades left at 12.30am.

All of this has plausibly added to the demand for Lamma flats.

Carmen says people have dealt with the high rents in different ways. Many are simply moving to less popular villages that are further from the ferry pier or, perhaps, involving a 20-minute walk up a steep hill. Others have looked for smaller places or found a roommate.

"What I am noticing is a lot more people are renting 350 sq ft apartments instead of 700 sq ft or people who have been living by themselves for years - people in their late 30s or early 40s, working professionals - who now have roommates," says Carmen.

Sellers is one of those. To keep pace with rent increases, he now lives with a roommate, each paying about HK$9,000 per month for a 700 sq ft flat.

Sellers thinks that Lamma, much like the rest of Hong Kong - is overpriced.

"The flats are not worth it at all," he said. "I've lived in San Francisco and New York. The rents are maybe about the same as what I pay in Lamma, but Lamma is not New York. There's no music scene. There is barely an arts scene in Hong Kong.

"Unlike the city, we've got huge poisonous snakes all over the place, a massive amount of mosquitoes and huge centipedes. My old place literally had a jungle in the backyard with pythons. There's not a variety of restaurants. There's no access to shopping."

Lamma residents may complain but they are unlikely to move. People who live there see the island's main drawback - the commute by ferry into Central - as a positive - it buffers them from polluted, high-density Hong Kong.

Residents covet the island's greenery, the absence of cars, the access to beaches and hiking trails, the vibrant local community, and the fact that no building is higher than three-storeys, among many positives.

Charlotte Douglas, a homeopath, moved to Lamma two years ago from Hong Kong Island, cutting her rent in half.

She appreciates Lamma's greenery and small-town vibe. "We have a beautiful garden, lots of space … it's still good value," says Douglas.

Indeed, Lamma residents have always felt that Hong Kong islanders were missing a trick - that, in any other big city, a leafy suburb a short commute to the central business district would command a premium.

"More and more people have come over and discovered the secret of Lamma, which is that it's a nice, middle-class place to live," says Berriff. "If it were any other place in world, I would not be able to afford it, because it would be full of millionaires."


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This is a truly unbalanced, extreme, promotional story, which is ignoring the vast majority of still affordable rents, focusing only on the top-end and expat part of the local rental market close to the ferry pier which are the only flats promoted in property agents' windows.
I'd guess that MOST local residents still pay below $10,000 in rent, getting their flats trough local contacts, not agents charging them a full month of rental as a "service charge". But the top end of the market has exploded last year and seems to be leveling off already.

If my landlord sees this SCMP story, we'll be doomed this Aug and we've got 4 options to consider, similar to many other long-time Lammaites:

1. Leaving Lamma, finding one of the few remaining areas in HK of still affordable living, shutting this entire website down as it can't be run off-island.

2. Shutting this site down and return to a full-time office job off-island to earn enough to pay rent in North Lamma or HK.

3. Continue this site, move to Pak Kok, a remote village or even South Lamma, before the rents go through the roof there as well when the Govt. starts building massive housing in the ex-Lamma Quarry.

4. Soldier on, move into a 350sqft place in North Lamma, on the least attractive 1/F, old building, far from the ferry pier; and stop eating out at night. Lamma-Por would not appreciate this downshifting in our still OK lifestyle, but many of our friends are facing the same dim choices.<HR>
As usual, the SCMP reporter interviewing me ignored all my fair warnings, see below. That's why I didn't grant a quick interview till she tracked me down. Here's the same realistic advice I've been giving people for years, trying to balance out the (slowly diminishing) attractiveness of our island home:

WARNINGS before moving to Lamma Island:

For anybody considering to move to Lamma, they'll need to consider this:
Lamma is ALL rural villages, not a single "luxury flat" available anywhere on Lamma. Nothing is higher than 3 floors, (almost) nothing larger than 700sqft on a single floor and not a single swimming pool, gym, building security, management fees or clubhouse anywhere on the entire island!

There's slow Broadband Internet on most of the island (Top speed 5Mbps), but no Cable TV, just ATV and TVB, plus only a handful of Chinese-language and sports NOW TV channels. For more than basic local analogue and digital TV you'll need to get your own TV satellite dish installed. Reliable 4G is only available in small area of the island.

The 2nd, major phase of major sewage works will start soon all over Yung Shue Wan, plus a large number of standard-size Village Houses being built and old buildings demolished. This means that almost every path will be ripped open (often several times) to lay many more kilometres of sewage pipes to almost every building, for many years to come, adding up to major inconveniences for everybody.

There are no supermarkets like Wellcome or Park'n'Shop at all, not a single chain store like 7-11, no pharmacy, no fast food or chain restaurant of any kind, no "entertainment options" like cinemas, shows or karaoke!

There are no ferries at all after 12:30am from Central, except a single 2:30am ferry on Sat and Sun early morning. Several of the local ferries have 2-hour gaps in their schedules. Even if you miss the very busy Central - YSW ferry on a weekday, you'll usually have to wait for one hour for the next one.

No private doctors, only a single doctor is on duty on weekdays in the tiny "Lamma Clinic", but only from 9-4:30pm (Sat 9-1pm, 2 days per week only in Sok Kwu Wan).
Ambulances and helicopters are available for emergencies. For non-emergencies outside "office hours", go to a public hospital on HK Island by yourself and wait for several hours at Emergency, even for something minor like medicine or getting a few stitches to close a cut.

There's absolutely NO private or public traffic at all, no taxis, minibuses, buses or MTR; the ONLY way for people of getting anywhere is on foot or by bike (or wheelchair). You can hire open-air, single-driver carts, VVs, for transporting goods only, no passengers allowed.

If all of the above doesn't really faze or worry you, then you might be the kind of person who might enjoy living here, maybe even love it like us residents! Welcome to the Lamma Island community! Check out Lamma.com.hk for all you ever wanted to know about our our home.

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