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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:34 pm 
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For example, I had a heated argument recently in South Lamma with a Senior Lammaite. He's 100% pro-Bike Park, advocates confiscating and destroying all bikes on the ferry pier frequently.

People have been parking bikes on the pier for 40 years without incident.

It's quite amazing to consider that the people most in favour of spending $20 million on a "bike park" are those who hate bikes, while actual cyclists are against it. Anywhere else in the world, spending that much money on bicycle facilities would be a Godsend. Here, it's just an excuse to pour concrete into the harbour.

Anyway, there is room for maximum 300 (in practice, more like 250) bikes on the CPA, and last count there were 430 bikes parked on the pier.
They seized and destroyed maybe 100 last "clearance". So after a few more times maybe he'll get his wish when no one dares to park a bike anywhere for fear of it being confiscated by some asshole, either government or vigilante.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:19 pm 
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Anyway, there is room for maximum 300 (in practice, more like 250) bikes on the CPA, and last count there were 430 bikes parked on the pier.

Alan, you haven't heard about the recent secret changes to the Bike Park construction plans?
Instead of a single-level platform, they've reacted to your and other compaints about the platform being too small. So instead of extending it and facing even more opposition, they decided to go higher. The Bike Park will now be 3 floors and Village House height.

First floor reserved for VVs, like the original Bike Park plan, see historic plan from 15 or so years ago in the same location.

Second floor will be for the rest of us bike users. Free, but cramped, unsecured and no services provided, just like the current ferry pier.

Third floor for VIP bikers who'll happily pay monthly charges for their spacious floor with a guard and daily bike cleanings and basic maintenance like oiling and maintaining ideal wheel pressure. Great views, express lift, space and free coffee, of course.

Because of the added weight of 2 more floors, the former plans of creating a bike platform had to be abandoned in favour of full standard harbour reclamation. The cost had been tripled as well, of course, and as a consequence the new Library/Community Centre budget had to be used for the Bike Park instead. So, 3-floor Bike Park but no Community Centre....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:31 pm 
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Since it was costing almost $100,000 for each bike to be parked on the basic slab, you might expect a few extras.

That must be the April 1st updated plan.
I checked it out.
Includes a giant digital clock and a wavy roof. The pillars though mean that it will only have space for 50 bikes.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:40 pm 
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OF COURSE, it'll have massive pillars, a Monster Clock and a wavy roof! Standard features for a Bike Park these days, no need to even mention them!

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Since when does it cost 40-50 million to build a 3 storey 1000 sq ft building???


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:55 am 
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Since when does it cost 40-50 million to build a 3 storey 1000 sq ft building???

You'd have to ask the Islands District Council and CED Dept. for a budget breakdown.

Compared to $20 million to build a small Bike Park platform with some metal U-shaped pipes to lock bikes to, $40-50 million (according to various official sources) for a 3 floors @ 1,000sqft Village House-cum Library/Heritage Museum sounds quite alright, doesn't it? :twisted:

Privately built entire Village Houses went for well below $3 million just a few years ago, but now they're selling just the land with the ding right to build a house - land, no house - for up to $11 million even in remote locations like Mo Tat Wan. Anybody knows the current going rate to build a standard Village House?

They're going up all over the island now, building permissions handed out in bunches of up to 3-6 houses almost touching each other; even in very remote Pak Kok where we have 4+ brand-new Village House right now in my immediate neighbourhood in various states of construction, from starting the digging to finding the very first tenants.

Having experienced the same in Sha Po Village more than once before, it's actually not too bad to have a new house built just besides yours. It takes a surprisingly long time, but it's not too noisy... as long as you don't open your windows and make sure your radio or TV is running all the time to drown out the Canto opera or whatever musical tastes the builders are proud to show off at full volume while working. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:13 am 
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Have a look at the fish market to see how they can piss away 10 times as much money as necessary to get a worse result.

With all these projects, the design constraint is to spend as much as possible on concrete.
And I'm not joking or being ironic: that is the only way to make sense of these idiotic constructions.
The government gives a wodge of money to the District Council and they divide it up. Each councillor funnels it to the local construction firms by thinking up a reason to put a block of concrete on public land somewhere.

When I was trying to talk to bureaucrats about such projects, they were totally unconcerned with either serving a public need or using funds efficiently, while the councillors are extremely hostile to any suggestions that would cost less.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:16 pm 
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The next major development project, sometime after completion of the Bike Park, is gazetted on the notice board right now for the mandatory 14-day period, till Dec 18:

The tearing down and rebuilding of the Bike Park-adjacent YSW Library as a 3*1,000 sqft building.
It's even got a very catchy and pretty short name already:

"The Yung Shue Wan Library cum Heritage and Cultural Showroom"


This will obviously be a much larger, much more expensive ($50+ million) and much more time-consuming project than the little bike platform they've been building most of this year. And despite the new name, it'll still be mostly a library on the upper two floors.

What should be displayed to Lamma visitors inside the future Heritage and Cultural Showroom?
Any good (and bad) ideas?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:22 am 
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From Yu Lai Fan's all-Chinese Facebook page (maintained by one of her 2 assistants):

離島區議會通過在南丫島榕樹灣興建一棟三層高~两層圖書館,一層文物室(原地興建)
多謝大家支持!

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"Islands District Council adopted at Yung Shue Wan, Lamma Island built a three-story ~ two-story library, first floor heritage room (built in situ) thanks for all your support!"


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:14 pm 
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Yu Lai Fan wrote:
Islands District Council adopted at Yung Shue Wan, Lamma Island built a three-story ~ two-story library, first floor heritage room (built in situ) thanks for all your support!


Translation of the translation: the consultation process is already over and 150% of Lamma residents support her vision.

So all the people who use the library have to walk up two flights of stairs.
Accessibility?
There have been many ancient artefacts found on Lamma, and stashed away in museums in HK. Will we get any of them back, or will it be a lot of photos of Yu Lai Fan cutting ribbons and promoting her next concrete monolith?
I don't expect to see any recognition of people like Richard Jones or others who have contributed to local culture.


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Full presentation PDF with many Artist Impressions:
http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/IS_2014_127_A1_TC.pdf

Facebook discussion on my Lamma Gung page started 2 hours ago, 25 comments so far...

Damon Wong Chun-pong writes:
"The project is only approved by Home Affairs but still yet to start as it need the approval from Legco for $$$
More: http://www.districtcouncils.gov.hk/.../IS_2014_127_A1_TC.pdf"

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Two Artist's Impressions from the Design Presentation of this "HAD Signature Project Scheme".
http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/IS_2014_127_A1_TC.pdf

Plus some fanciful quotes:

"Overall Concept 設計概念
“Reading a Book on Lamma by the sea” 一本關於南丫島的書

A semi open-space in front of building forms to celebrate the magnificent sea view. It is obvious that the Lammaite’s love of nature and immense connection with the sea is fundamental to the place and people of Lamma Island.

"The focus of North Lamma Public Library cum Heritage and Cultural Showroom therefore is neither the library nor the showroom, but the Sea which connects the two. It is where the Lammaite's life is concentrated, where culture, history and knowledge meet, communicate and interact."


They also nicked some photos from this website for their Design Presentation, without asking, of course.


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Alan wrote:
Yu Lai Fan wrote:
Islands District Council adopted at Yung Shue Wan, Lamma Island built a three-story ~ two-story library, first floor heritage room (built in situ) thanks for all your support!


Translation of the translation: the consultation process is already over and 150% of Lamma residents support her vision.

So all the people who use the library have to walk up two flights of stairs.
Accessibility?
There have been many ancient artefacts found on Lamma, and stashed away in museums in HK. Will we get any of them back, or will it be a lot of photos of Yu Lai Fan cutting ribbons and promoting her next concrete monolith?
I don't expect to see any recognition of people like Richard Jones or others who have contributed to local culture.


Are you trying to take the piss re Dick Jone, or are you really just a socially inept retard. Don't answer, both are true.

PS I am sure they will install lifts under the access for all regs.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:36 pm 
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Who is more worthy or remembrance? One of the local real estate dealers?
Maybe Chow Yun-fat will get a gallery.

The plans linked above show no sign of a lift.
The library is the part that local residents will actually use, while the museum will probably be like the "Yung Shue Wan Plaza", unused and probably locked up after the ribbon cutting, since I doubt any extra LCSD staff will be taken on to look after it. The budget is allocated 100% for concrete, not services.


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Changing the tone:
Lamma-Gung wrote:
What should be displayed to Lamma visitors inside the future Heritage and Cultural Showroom?
Any good (and bad) ideas?


As above, the many relics found in archaeological digs here over the decades. Lamma has been inhabited since the Bronze Age, there was a full on dig on a site near PSB several years ago.

Wildlife: Sea turtles. Roemer's frogs. Boars, snakes, butterflies.

And I am serious about Richard Jones. Dickstock was a real event, celebrating and showcasing the local music scene. Hopefully will continue.


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No personal attacks, please, leglessonlamma! As an ex-Lamma-ite, you might be nicer and argue with facts, not insults.
The design presentation linked above is pretty detailed, they might show lift access, or not.

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Bureaucrats cannot leave Lamma Island alone.
If the library needs expansion, why can't they just build a two- or three-storey house that matches the simple houses along the coast?
The revealed design is typical of the other recent construction products of the leisure and cultural department, e.g. new swimming pools and the crematorium in Wo Hop Shek:--- unnecessary steel work, asymmetry, bevel joints, mix of expensive materials --- all calculated to boost costs.
The finished structure will catch every eye on approach to the island, but that is not Lamma's way of living.
Lamma's heritage and culture should be the bustle on the street, colours on the balcony and freedom on the beach, not any expensive artifice or relics behind glass.
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You want some additional details on the $50 million+ YSW Library rebuild as a huge 3/F, 1,200+ sqft/floor structure, scheduled to start end of this year, in addition to the Artist's Impressions above?

Here's the relevant Town Planning document:

http://www.info.gov.hk/tpb/en/papers/RNTPC/507-rntpc_4-14.pdf

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Does anyone (Hermann for instance?) know what is the prognosis on the Library? For example, what is the final plan for it? Dunce I may be but I can't find anything confirming which actual design is finally being put in place. Just as a matter of interest......since it currently appears to be shrouded in mystery....


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No new info since the plans and artist's impressions above. I assume these are the final and approved designs being built now, no?

Following up with our powers-that-be in the very near future...

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