When I walked off the boat from Central to YSW on Sunday morning I wondered why there were signs on the pier for people coming by ferry to show them the way to the polling station. If they they really lived here surely they would know where the polling station was. Very suspicious.

Not really, the govt puts such notices up everywhere near the polling station on election day.

It would be off if anyone actually had said that.
Fortunately, no one did.

But its undenaible that the DAB does court and round up the local elderly for elections. Which is quite a legitimate and even laudable activity.

It's the apathy of the younger residents that allows the DAB to win.

I was referringto this comment Alan

That's quite a nice toilet seat , can someone grab it for me, it's obviously now very symbolic.

The state of Lamma is really the fault of the Hong Kong government, due to the indigenous law, the lack of planning and planning law probably, and the lack of any Police action on dumping. All of which have there own little underlying bollocks.

HONG KONG GOVERNMENT YOU ARE USELESS CRAP.


Just a reminder, Ireland has extremely cheap property and a tax rate almost as low as HK. They also know how to smile, sing and drink beer, so if your preparing your parachute!!

And I was referring to the YLF supporters I SAW on that day were all, very old people. Surely there are younger folk also who voted for her!

Yes but they have no jobs and they are bordering on bankruptcy!

My last comment was referring to Ireland and not the DAB grannies btw, who although may not have jobs probably have more money than the Irish government through selling properties on Lamma...

your message infers that they were old local folk who did not seem to know any better - I would say that as people who have perhaps lived here all their lives, they are exactly the people who should be deciding what happens to their island, unfortunately for those opposed to YLF - the old folks seem to like her, I assume they have their reasons

OK. That post does read like that.
But try to refer to the specific person who said something, not just "you" a dozen posts later when it seems you are addressing everyone on the non-YLF side.



Right. What we need is a gerontocracy. Restrict voting to those over 75. Obviously they are the best placed to consider the future.

The elderly have a right to vote.
And so does everyone* else who has made their home here.
I've been here 20 years, my wife is Chinese, our daughter has spent her entire life here. Yet YLF, and apparently you, think that I'm an "outsider" who has no say about what happens here. If the villagers wanted to keep "their" island they could have just lived here and kept their "village houses" for the purpose they were supposedly constructed, preserving the village society. But they chose to cash in by selling and renting them out. And as this is not a feudal state, the people who live here have rights, not just the traditional land owners.

*with permanent residency



You'll find it on the left on the path up to Tai Peng, just past the bridge, on the more recent dumping site opposite the larger dump on the former lily pond.

Submitted by Damon, also handed out at the Central Ferry Pier:

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Alan - While your summation of what I was saying is incorrect - I can see why you might take this view from my comments so I wont go on about it and i suppose I have to accept some of the blame for your coming to that conclusion.

All I can say is that after reading through the entire thread in this discussion that it really just smacks of sour grapes from the losing team in what as far as i can tell was a free and fair election.
Ridiculing the old folks who voted for YLF as people who have no idea of what is good for them, whose vote can be bought for the price of a lunch or as mindless geriatrics being herded by manipulative neices and nephews to the polling booths to further their own agendas in some way, is a bit sad to say the least.

As I said, like it or not the voting population who could be arsed to get up and go to the polls ( and yes I did so myself) made a decisive vote against the more ecologically minded Damon and voted for the person who seems to say they will develop the island further - while this may be against what you believe is best for Lamma it seems the other voters disagree with you - plain and simple.
Instead of people banging on about the reasoning ability of the opposing parties voters - It might be wise for those opposed to YLF and her policies to realise that battling YLF at the opposite extreme of what she has to offer may not work as well fielding a candidate who can sensibly occupy the middle ground and prospectively bring in voters from both sides of the table.

Damon did actually offer a fairly balanced set of proposals, but it's hard to teach and old dog new tricks, so no surprises at the outcome this time around. These things take time.

However, you seem to be assuming (amongst other things) that YLF's victory means her laissez faire attitude to spreading concrete will also win the day. It doesn't.

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among the voting public - her laissez faire attitude on concrete does seem to have won the day - or are you assuming that the people who voted for her have no idea about this ?

You're assuming that her love of concrete is the only reason people voted for her. She's also a member of the DAB - the party that just happened to win a large majority of the district vote.

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a fair point

It's not mindless for them to vote in self interest.
And she certainly does provide all manner of freebies for them.

Voting for YLF is quite rational if you are an elderly local whose family profits from the local real estate market, and/or construction business.

It's certainly not in my interest, though, as she is not in the slightest interested in any of the things that I hold important.



I don't see why you keep repeating that. We know the result, it's self evident and no one is saying otherwise or that the poll was invalid. It doesn't mean that we have to be happy about it. There are quite a lot of elected leaders that I have hated with a passion. But I didn't advocate armed insurrection to overturn an election.



No one in this forum is in a position to "field a candidate".
It'd be the kiss of death for us to try. Damon and Paul chose to run off their own bats.
The problem is that both left their run too late to get well known and push supporters to register.

Local elections are based on personally knowing and trusting the candidate, policies are secondary.

As a long term resident of Lamma with good friends amongst the local indigenous population as well as international residents of many years, I've been fascinated with views. It's been interesting, as I've never seen so much passion aroused and people making a real effort. Apparently this was one of the biggest voter turnouts.

I've had many an 'good friendly' debate with the local Chinese indigenous whom I consider good friends, and they are all for YLF, as she will give 'work' to the locals. Even if it means covering the place in concrete. Creating jobs is fully understandable.

My disappointment with YLF and even some of my friends, is that no one is against 'progress' if this will create jobs for the local community. I'm all for this. But if you are going to build a house, then clean up the damn mess afterwards and not dump on the hillside!!! YLF does absolutely NOTHING about illegal dumping and illegal structures.

Alan has a very good point. The indigenous villagers are given a plot of land to build on.. great. To raise their children and families, and even make a profit,.. but let's get real here, it's not quite like that is it? LOL

YLF is protecting the indigenous villagers 'rice bowl' and for that I have to applaud her for protecting the locals.

But myself (and many others) who come from overseas have lived here for years, and paid our taxes, and made Lamma our home. She IGNORES this,.... international people seem to her to be interfering busibodies. Although she likes the money that we bring in for properties, and thus enables more properties to be built.

And she does absolutely nothing against illegal dumping. Didn't even make the effort to attend the 'dog poisoning meetings' . Erecting a huge clock which cost a fair bit of taxpayers money,..... yet tourists have to pass a public toilet and a rubbish dump to enter our fair isle straight off the pier.

This is my gripe. A very small group of constituents are protected and cared for but the rest of us can go to hell apparently.

What DOES she actually do? That is an actually serious question!! So if someone can enlighten me, please do.

She does what she is told.