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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:19 am 
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Nancy, do you have a photo of the Roemer frog? With a lot of people going to the lily pond, you never know if someone might be able to snap a photo on it in the habitat.


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Let's meet up at 11.30 am Friday 10 April on this dumping site and air our concerns from frogs to disgusting degradation under no apparent Government controls


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Lokkanat, I only have one from captive breeding colony at HKU. It is not great but here it is.

It is very difficult to find these frogs as they are brown and gray and about 2 cm in size. They are called tree frogs but do not climb trees and spend all of their time under dense undergrowth. They will be nearly impossible to find unless you know where there is a large breeding population. However, their call is very distinctive - it sounds like a quick, high-pitched bouncing ball. Many mistake it for an insect call. You can hear them from March until November but they are most active from April - September.


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Let's meet up at 11.30 am Friday 10 April on this dumping site and air our concerns from frogs to disgusting degradation under no apparent Government controls


I will be there.


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Today, Friday, April 10 at 11:30 a.m.

Anyone interested in the development going on in Yung Shue Long Valley please meet at the lily pond


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even i will stop lurking and turn up


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Lokkanat {L_WROTE}:
Nancy, do you have a photo of the Roemer frog? With a lot of people going to the lily pond, you never know if someone might be able to snap a photo on it in the habitat.

Roemer frog photos and sound and report.(sorry, only Chinese)
http://www.ngensis.com/RTF/RTF.htm

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siuyu {L_WROTE}:
Roemer frog photos and sound and report.(sorry, only Chinese)
http://www.ngensis.com/RTF/RTF.htm


You can hear the call on this page.

An automatic translation shows the text includes the fairy tale about the "kamikaze boat caves" near Sok Kwu Wan, despite no historical record of such attacks, on the pretext that Romer originally found the frogs in similar caves.

But the photos are good.


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About 30 people turned up this morning at the site.

A photographer from the SCMP took shots of the mob, asking us to shake our fists in the air to create some drama. Let's hope we don't look too silly.

He said the story may run in the SCMP on Saturday.

Attempts are being made to organise a more formal group, as the government takes these much more seriously than individuals.


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Lorraine wrote in the chinese forum:
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在2004年建排水道工程畤,政府各部門也懂得將荷花池列入保護範圍


Here's my limited translation:
When the drainage pipe was put it in 2004, each governmental department knew and listed the lily pond as protected area.

Whoever conspires and involves behind the destruction of the lily pond is really despicable beyond words could describe!!!


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I spoke with the SCMP reporter, Bryony, this afternoon about Romer's tree frogs and water pollution at the site. She said the story will run on Sunday. It would be worth checking tomorrow, though.


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There seems to be an email list going around for people interested in this topic, as I found out today. I haven't managed to get on the list myself yet, but maybe sending a Private Message to somebody really active in this forum could get you included?

Some of my photos from today:

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Another photo of the gathering


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I don't have an online subscription for SCMP - maybe someone who does can post the article?
http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/me ... ong&s=News

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I've got a subscription with full access to their archives, just a few hundred dollars/year, well worth it for my story research.

This is a very good story with only a few small, unimportant, factual mistakes by Bryony who'll soon finish her studies at HKU. It's actually much better than many of us expected. I've also linked this story from my Lamma-zine story from Good Friday.

They didn't publish any of the group shots taken by their photographer on Good Friday, but a very good, emotional picture of a girl standing on the small drainage pipe. They also created a really good and helpful illustration of the area (see below):

SCMP's Bryony Taylor {L_WROTE}:
Lamma residents seethe over dumping in stream
Islanders told no action can be taken on rubble in valley
Apr 12, 2009

The dumping of building debris into a stream has caused a furore on Lamma Island. A farmer claims he faces being forced from the land, a scientist says the habitat of a rare tree frog is being destroyed, and Lamma residents are fuming that a slice of green tranquillity has been lost.

The rubble, dumped on private land into a stream in the Yung Shue Long Valley, is believed to come from the demolition of a local restaurant and a large, disused sewage works.

Since the debris first began appearing in the valley on March 23, the mound has grown into a partial dam covering a 3-metre section of the stream, which residents believe blocks the water's natural exit out of the valley and into the sea.

The 85-year-old farmer has grown vegetables for the village since 1952 on a plot next to the dump site. He said he expects the debris to cause flooding that will cover his field and destroy his crops.

Whoever dumped the debris apparently placed a 60cm-diameter concrete pipe under the rubble to try to keep the stream flowing. However, the farmer, who was unwilling to give his name, said the pipe was far too small to drain the entire valley. "This will lead to the flooding of my land at least twice a year," he said.

A group of angry residents has reported the dumping to the government, but it has continued.

They fear the natural environment of the area, a breeding ground for the endangered Romer's tree frog, could be irreparably damaged.

The pipe also reduces the efficiency of a new concrete flood channel built by the Drainage Services Department last year. The HK$8 million project widened the stream to 2.3 metres, but now the water must pass through the small pipe before reaching the channel.

District lands officer Choy Kin-lun said the department had already raised concerns about how well the concrete pipe would handle the runoff during rainstorms. In response to residents' complaints, various government departments took part in a fact-finding inspection at the site on April 2.

The Environmental Protection Department conducted five surprise inspections to assess the levels of noise and air pollution caused by the dumping, but they were considered to be negligible on all occasions.

"From our investigations, the areas where construction waste has been deposited are all within private lots owned by different people," Peter Diu Chin-pong, an environmental protection officer, said.

Officers inspecting the site found a man dumping construction waste, but were unable to do anything as the owner of the land said it was taking place under his direction.

Mr Choy said his office had put posters on railings around the site warning people to stop the dumping. Local resident Theodoros Boulieris said he had seen contractors removing the posters before continuing to dump the waste.

"The police, when I reported it, said the owner of the land was allowed to dump on it," Mr Boulieris said. "They said it was not illegal until they start to build on it. But what about the leaching effect of this waste into the soil, which is used to grow the fresh produce we feed our children?"

New posters were put up on Friday morning.

Under the Waste Disposal Ordinance, construction waste must be disposed of in an environmentally acceptable manner.

A nearby lily pond and surrounding breeding grounds for the endangered Romer's tree frog have been all but destroyed by the waste.

Frog expert Nancy Karraker, of Hong Kong University, has watched frogs breeding at the site for three years. "Without concerted and informed restoration of the habitat, this will never be a breeding ground again for the frogs," she said.

She has reported the problem to officials at the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department, but has received no response.

Although no building plans for the site have been received by the planning office, residents worry that the intention of the dumping is to reduce the ecological value of the land in the hope of future re-zoning.

The owner has told police that the land was being used for temporary waste storage.

The environment department said it would continue to monitor the situation and carry out spraying to prevent mosquito breeding.


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Odd that the Post doesn't name "the owner". It's a matter of public record, and I was told the reporter tried to interview Fong.

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The environment department said it would continue to monitor the situation and carry out spraying to prevent mosquito breeding.

That'll wipe out any remaining frogs then, and a great additive for the vegetables.


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Submitted by Denis (thanks!) whom I've met at Zep's rooftop brunch (delicious! thanks!) this morning, together with Lamma's now even more famous "Nancy the Frog Expert".

This Harry cartoon has been published in the SCMP yesterday, one day BEFORE the actual story above the cartoon refers to, pretty confusing for the readers.


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Another Alan chat show I see!!
Those frogs were always a bloody nuisance anyway, hopping around shitting everywhere, best thing for that space would be to concrete it over and make in a bike park, at least then you could walk on and off the ferry pier without having to do so in single file.

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frog A : Those human being are always a bloody nuisance anyway, polluting everywhere.
frog B : we are going to die of global warming.
frog A : best thing for that space would be to plant it over and make in a jungle, at least then you could walk on and off without worrying to be smashed by the V V.


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Good one, espresso!

Anybody else would like to change the words in Harry's cartoon with something appropriate, maybe even something witty, please?

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